Discussion of "Republic" - is the US?

No king or queen.

Good Lord.

Why was the Bill of Rights important enough to make it a condition of ratification?

Was the US a republic before the Bill of Rights was ratified?

It’s not that I don’t want small states to have power, its that I don’t want states to factor into electing the PUSA at all. I want a Californian’s vote to weigh the same as someone’s in Utah.

Because it limited federal power.

Yes, since March 4, 1789.

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Yet you don’t grasp that the way it’s designed is not only to limit the power of the federal government. It also limits the power of the majority.

By design.

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Understood. That would be either a different country or this country with an amended Constitution. Your job is to convince small states that they should give up what significance they have. Kind of like going to the UN and demanding that China have twice as much say as the US because…more people.

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The people…the public.

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No…

as long as Elvis isn’t parachuting into the wedding

It was not. Of the people by the people and for the people while maintaining the rights of the individual as sacrosanct.

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Why not. If a republic is a “representative democracy” and we vote for the king of our choice, what difference does it make what we call him?

Then are we a republic now?

The Constitution said we were before the Bill of Rights.

Why? What makes you think your way would be better?

What does the “S” stand for in your neologism?

Because we are not “representative democracy”.

And there was a reason for that. :wink:

Good question…I don’t think we are.

Too much power is in the hands of bureaucrats.

They are no longer accountable by the people/public IMO.

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It would be this country with an amended Constitution.

Yea, its pretty unlikely we’ll pull off an amendment… if enough states can be convinced something like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is more likely.

Not really because the citizens of China and all the other countries don’t vote on anything that’s up for vote in the UN or choose the Secretary General.

But the national popular voter interstate compact would be challenged in the courts. Not so sure it would pass constitutional muster.

In case you missed it, our federal Constitution guarantees a “Republican Form of Government”. Do you have any idea what is meant by a “Republican Form of Government”, as stated during our Constitution’s framing and ratification debates?

Let me personally assure you our founders were fully aware of the violent and despotic nature of democracy.

And just what did our Founding Fathers think of “democracy”? Madison, in Federalist No. 10 says in reference to “democracy” they

“…have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”

And during the Convention which framed our federal Constitution, Elbridge Gerry and Roger Sherman, delegates from Massachusetts and Connecticut, urged the Convention to create a system which would eliminate “the evils we experience,” saying that those “evils . . .flow from the excess of democracy…”

And, then there was John Adams, a principle force in the American Revolutionary period who also pointed out “democracy will envy all, contend with all, endeavor to pull down all; and when by chance it happens to get the upper hand for a short time, it will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel…”

And Samuel Adams, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and favoring the new Constitution as opposed to democracy declared: "Democracy never lasts long” . . . “It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself.”. . . “There was never a democracy that ‘did not commit suicide.’”

And during the Constitutional Convention, Hamilton stated: “We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.”

Democracy, or majority rule vote, as the Founding Fathers well knew, whether that majority rule is practiced directly by the people or by elected representatives, if not restrained by specific limitations and particular guarantees in which the unalienable rights of mankind are put beyond the reach of political majorities, have proven throughout history to eventually result in nothing less than an unbridled mob rule system susceptible to the wants and passions of a political majority imposing its will upon those who may be outvoted, and would result in the subjugation of unalienable rights, and especially rights associated with property ownership.

Of course, in your world, fallenturtle, property ownership is determined by majority vote . . . “From each according to their ability to pay, to each who needs help living a decent life.” ___ fallenturtle

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Our socialist revolutionaries, which now control the Democrat Party Leadership, want elderly American citizens, who were forced to pay into Medicare all their lives, to surrender and share their Medicare Trust fund with millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders. LINK

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