Denver businesses fined over $8M total for knowingly hiring unauthorized workers: ICE

You’re missing it.

The client has to pay 4X for the service. These are contractors.

False wrong not true.
The client has to pay a few dollars an hour.

There is no etched-in-stone reason why the criminal running a criminal enterprise needs to use the same multiplier.

Hire illegals for $18 ---- add $20/hour = $38/hour.
Support America for $24/hour ---- add $20 = $44/hour.

No. There is more to labor cost than wages.

Nobody is paying illegals $18 to clean offices. That’s why they’re hiring illegals. And paying them cash.

Do you really not know this?

And you know damn well that when wages go up a few dollars an hour no employer needs to raise their entire price 4x.

Uhh, I stared paying my cowboys a little bit more so I gotta quadruple the price I charge you for cattle." said no one ever.

It’s not just wages. You think these companies are paying health insurance for illegal cleaning ladies?

And?
even the added cost of benefits
does not change the total output price 400%

Client must pay the legal wage or the office does not get cleaned.
A perfectly honest man with a perfectly honest company was doing tht one day . . . until some completely dishonest person decided

  • “I’m going to structure my entire business around breaking the law. I am going to put that honest man out of business and all his employees into unemployment. I don’t care how many people lose their houses their jobs and their cars. I’ll just blame the government and say Jesus made me do it.”

You have zero evidence of the “perfectly honest man” doing any such thing.

What type of “legals” do that type of work? Think.

I cleaned offices when I was putting my wife through college,
(and getting my degree part time).

It was a decision I made right after our son was born.

Most of my co-workers were just plain old HS graduates who had never gotten a job skill, mostly women.

At least one of them was an old man who had retired w/out benefits, medicare paid only 60% of HC costs. He went back to work for the benefits.

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The world has moved on.

Start with no welfare for the able bodied. Add in second chance employment opportunities. Let the market take it from there.

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No disagreement, but you have to do that first.

I still disagree with punishing the private sector for the failings of the state.

This is not a “failings of the state thing.”

this is
“I can undercut the other guy, and crush his business and his employees by doing nothing but illegal stuff 100% of the time.”

People like that should not be in business.
That’s why fining them for the one single act of hiring illegals is insufficient.
They are dishonest through and through. The American economy is better off if those people are deep in debt, fresh out of prison are washing dishes and scrubbing toilets while the honest entrepreneurs they have crushed can finally have a level playing field (and can be THEIR boss for a change.)

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What? Of course it is. The private sector didn’t bring illegals in to the country.

Stealing, using drugs, not showing up, doing zero quality work.

No it isn’t.

That is correct.
Criminals came, and other criminals hired them.

The (noncriminal) private sector had nothing to do with it.
The government’s fault in this is that they didn’t crack down sooner.

Actually it is…it’s also those that hire illegals to undermine their competitors.

Just imagine we had orderly immigration, one that are vetted to come into our country legally to work. How would we pay for this they may ask, well it would be lot cheaper then what Biden done with his open border…and lot cheaper then hire thousands of ICE agents to collect/round them up for deportation.

This entire episode has been one total ■■■■ up from the start.

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In college they teach something called management.
Part of it is about reducing/eliminating stuff like that

So basically there are two paths.

  1. go to college and learn to manage effectively

  2. don’t learn that stuff, open a criminal enterprise that is 100% about hiring criminals, one that can only exist by constantly committing and re-committing the same crimes again and again. . . . and then pretend to be an honest Christian conservative, blame big business and government and play the victim

Just imagine we put the law breakers in jail,
seize their assets
and
open them up to class action lawsuits . . . not only giving honest business people a level playing field, but also forcing them to compensate their victims with whatever tiny paltry assets they have left.

You see me arguing against this?

Either way stop placing your apple pie on your open window sill.

If we end slavery, who will make our beds?