Defund Police Movement May Not End Well

[LucyLou]

Yes, the Boogaloo Bois are a danger to us all.

[jcrandall]

Absolutely they are. This coward is a true enemy of the people.

[Nemesis]

Any type of extremist is dangerous.

I suspect that many of those who are rioting and causing violence have zero political beliefs. They are the for the ruck and a bit of aggro.

[TriggerWarning]

Proof that the horseshoe theory of politics is correct in that the extreme right and extreme left become almost the same in terms of actions - using violence and terror to get their way.

[Liberty323]

Is this supposed to bait those on the “right” into some kind of disagreement? Of course, any type of extremists are enemies of cops and the public.

[TommyLucchese]

@jcrandall

Some people would likely think that, but check out this great work conducted by local law enforcment and federal partners who took down a significant drug-trafficking organization in the northwest.

From what I can tell, this monster of a case would have required hours and hours of surveillance, legal contacts by police to gather intel, solid warrant applications, review of those warrants by a court of jurisdiction, constitutionally-appropriate execution of those warrants, and also appropriate application of consitutional rights to anyone arrested, detained, etc.

Here’s a quote from the article hat tip DEA Special Agent in Charge Keith Weis by way of Skagit Breaking Community News):

“With today’s operation we have surpassed 60 arrests of members of highly organized transnational groups with tentacles reaching from Mexico to Puget Sound. They profit by pushing extremely dangerous narcotics such as methamphetamines, heroin and the worst of the worst – fentanyl,” said DEA Special Agent in Charge Keith Weis. “With our partners, even before today’s action, we took over 300 pounds of methamphetamine, 55 pounds of heroin, 41,200 fentanyl pills, 30 firearms; and more than $1. 3 million in drug trafficker assets off the streets. The dealers of these drugs are responsible for increasing levels of violence, addiction and overdose deaths in our communities.”

Does it sound like ignorance of the law and constitution helped to build a case on these thugs? I hope people in these threads have more respect for the cops involved in this case than the people arrested.

Link to the article:

So they took down a single crew with a Jalisco cartel plug who will be replaced inside a month by Sinaloa or the Zetas or Tijuana or just another Jalisco guy and about a week’s worth of dope and meth for their city.

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@TommyLucchese

“Stop or I won’t do my job” is literally the worst reason ever. We both know that cops are doing slowdowns in protest, chasing the radio and that’s it. Intentionally making less arrests, not doing anything proactive.

When you can do everything exactly as trained and be charged for murder for getting knocked down and concussed. Damn right cops are slowing down. The two cops in Atlanta who got fired when one of them shot Rayshard Brooks after Brooks took the taser and tried to shoot one of the officers with it. I fully believe the shooting was justified but even if you don’t how to you justify firing and charging the other officer who didn’t shoot Brooks. The one who was still back dazed from having his head slammed into the concrete and concussed. Even if you think the officer was wholly unjustified what grounds were there to charge the officer? It was a complete political move by a corrupt prosecutor in a re-election campaign to try and get the black vote.

But its not also just cops slowing down. Much of the carnage is caused by departments completely eliminating pro-active programs. NYPD for instance had a 600 officer street crime unit whose job it was to go out and make arrests of gangbangers on the street for weapons and drug crimes with the idea being if you get them in jail on minor stuff they won’t be out to commit murders later on. Soon as that unit went bye bye shootings and murders by gangmembers on other blacks skyrocketed.

[TommyLucchese]

@TriggerWarning

Damn right cops are slowing down.

Yeah this is not something literally any other profession could get away with.

@TriggerWarning

NYPD for instance had a 600 officer street crime unit whose job it was to go out and make arrests of gangbangers on the street for weapons and drug crimes with the idea being if you get them in jail on minor stuff they won’t be out to commit murders later on.

You mean the NYPD had the SCU who randomly tossed blacks and Latinos “for weapons” using a bull ■■■■ interpretation of Terry stops and came up empty 99.9% of the time.

You’re also confusing the Street Crime Unit, which was disbanded years ago, with plainclothes anticrime details that were recently thrown back in the bag.

Maybe next you could brag about how the NYPD would block off whole areas and forced people to produce ID that proved they live there to even walk down a street.

[DMK]

@GrandWazoo

One of the cornerstones of the defund movement is to relieve police from doing mental health calls. The idea is to have mental health professionals make the contacts and only call in the police if they are needed. And from what I have read, this idea is favorable to the majority of police chiefs who were asked.

Define mental health.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@TommyLucchese

“Stop or I won’t do my job” is literally the worst reason ever. We both know that cops are doing slowdowns in protest, chasing the radio and that’s it. Intentionally making less arrests, not doing anything proactive.

Here’s what’s happening in Minneapolis:

Cries For Help Grow Following Ongoing Crime In Minneapolis

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

Yeah this is not something literally any other profession could get away with.

That’s not true. It happens all the time in all kinds of industries. It’s called discretionary effort and it is almost completely dependent on moral.

[TriggerWarning]

@Eagle-Keeper

Here’s what’s happening in Minneapolis:

minnesota.cbslocal.com – 18 Sep 20

Cries For Help Grow Following Ongoing Crime In Minneapolis

Concerns over an uptick in violence and a decrease in the number of police officers on the street to combat, has residents calling for action from city leaders.

Exactly what I and other cops said would happen. Minneapolis turned on its police which pushed retirements and resignations through the roof. What officers are left are spread so thin they can’t respond to many calls and can’t follow up on the ones they do go to. Meanwhile who the hell would want to be a cop there knowing that the city doesn’t support them so all that will be apply will be the George Zimmerman types.

Coming to most cities everywhere in the US over the next few years. Its just accelerated in Minneapolis since thats where the current mess started.

[GrandWazoo]

@DMK

Define mental health.

I would imagine that they mean anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness. I don’t know how many there are. One article that I read said that a lot of the calls police get are for persons who seem to be off their meds and are threatening.

[TommyLucchese]

@GrandWazoo

I would imagine that they mean anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness. I don’t know how many there are. One article that I read said that a lot of the calls police get are for persons who seem to be off their meds and are threatening.

When I was working on a truck, they were called EDPs-emotionally disturbed persons-and they’d tell you on the call most times. Though we called them crazies, obviously.

[markdido]

In Seattle, 34 more officers ditch the force as city slashes police budget for...

“The Seattle Police Department is now dangerously understaffed. The number of deployable officers now sits at approximately 1,200, which is lower than it was in the 1990s despite the population increasing by 44% since then. According to KTTH-TV, the mayor’s office said in the coming months that number could drop even further, to 1,072.”

[Jezcoe]

Why are police budgets sacrosanct?

[FreeAndClear]

@Jezcoe

Why are police budgets sacrosanct?

Because money is a sign of respect. Arghl and or blarghl

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

Why are police budgets sacrosanct?

Why is funding for Planned Murderhood?

[Blackwolf]

@WuWei

Why is funding for Planned Murderhood?

Come on.

[Jezcoe]

@Blackwolf

@WuWei

Why is funding for Planned Murderhood?

Come on.

An odd thing to bring up in a thread about police funding.