Don’t think I did. Why?
Are you interested in treating voting like buying a firearm across the board?
You too
I already know your BS argument, and it’s not valid. But sure. Let’s use the same standards for voting ballots. I’m game.
You can order the ballot online, but it has to be shipped to a polling location where they will then check your ID, run a background check, and store the records of your ballot till the end of time.
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I am not saying any of that. You are
But again, you can order a gun through the mail.
But it’s not sent to you. So not exactly mail order.
There you go. 
There I go knowing you were wrong from the get go? Sure. Go me.
Now answer the underlying question: if in person, ID l, and background checks are not infringements on firearms, why are they for voting?
(Weird. Turned to crickets in here real fast……)
No, there you go acknowledging that you can, in fact, order a gun through the mail.
Mail voting is secure. Ask the state of Utah
How do you suppose they stop felons and illegals from voting?
I am okay with ID checks. It’s a solution in search of a problem, but it’ll make you alk feel better.
All of that to avoid answering the question asked.
Don’t worry. If I were a leftist I wouldn’t be able to justify it either.
I didn’t answer the question, I pointed out the false equivalence.
Edit: I also rejected the false premise.
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so they are or are they not? you still havent told the forum how you feel about utah mail in ballots v new york.
Allan
Neither of which is true.
The equivalence isn’t false. Both rights are protected constitutionally, and the one you want and have restricted is the one that says can’t be.
And the premise also is not false. You can pay for a firearm by mail, internet or phone, as well as in person, but it has to be shipped to a dealer for you to take possession. Thats not mail order any more than ordering pizza online and going to pick it up is delivery.
We are not talking about Utah’s voting laws. We are talking about Gov. Hochul’s attempt to subvert the people’s rejection of a constitutional amendment allowing for no-excuse mail in voting, an overwhelming rejection of the people by a 51.4% to 37.7% majority!
NY State’s Constitutional provision Article II, § 2 is crystal clear:
Absentee Voting
“The legislature may, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified voters who, on the occurrence of any election, may be absent from the county of their residence or, if residents of the city of New York, from the city, and qualified voters who, on the occurrence of any election, may be unable to appear personally at the polling place because of illness or physical disability, may vote and for the return and canvass of their votes.”
And, as pointed out in Mail voting law is an end run around voters
"Two years ago, voters rejected constitutional amendments that would have expanded voting rights in New York. We didn’t like the outcome, but that’s how democracy works — rather contradictorily in this case, considering these measures would have enhanced democracy in our state.
But them’s the breaks. If you don’t like the outcome, go out and try to change hearts and minds and take another shot at it. That, too, is how democracy works."
The Legislation signed by Gov. Hochul is a blatant attempt to do for the people that which they have specifically rejected, and it attempts to supplant the Governor’s personal desire as the rule of law. And that is how tyranny works!
JWK
"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law , 1858.
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I just found the COMPLAINT against Governor Hochul, and NY’s new and unconstitutional no-excuse mail-in voting law.
After carefully studying the complaint, and the provided history of Article II, § 2 of the New York State’s Constitution, which requires qualified voters when voting to do so in person unless they are specifically exempted as mentioned in the Constitution, it becomes more than obvious that Hochul is intentionally attempting to subvert NY’s constitutional process in order to impose her personal rules for voting in NYS.
Governor Hochul needs to be punished for willfully attempting to subvert the rule of law in New York State.
The following article is awesome and confirms, Governor Hochul needs to be punished for willfully attempting to subvert the rule of law [the State Constitution] and subvert its amendment process, which is the only lawful way to alter NY’s “Absentee Voting” rules.
Those rules are laid out under Article II, § 2,
“The legislature may, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified voters who, on the occurrence of any election, may be absent from the county of their residence or, if residents of the city of New York, from the city, and qualified voters who, on the occurrence of any election, may be unable to appear personally at the polling place because of illness or physical disability, may vote and for the return and canvass of their votes”
Why have a written constitution, approved by the people, if those who it is meant to control are free to make it mean whatever they wish it to mean?
JWK
"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law , 1858.
You have to get off the couch to mail a ballot
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I trained my dog to take mine to the mailbox.
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unless a harvester drops it off for you
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If you can convince someone to vote that way, that’s just good politics. One person one vote. Why should how it gets there matter?
