Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

  1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the “heart of the earth”

  2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

  3. Of those, there are some who think that the “heart of the earth” is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

  4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

  5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

  6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred?

Perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

Point #5 above should be changed to read: To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

Jesus began to bear Israel’s sin when He was declare a blasphemer by the high priest some time between midnight and dawn on Good Friday. He at that time became “in union with the heart of the earth”, the sinful heart. He was tried and crucified during daylight on Good Friday. He spent Friday night, Saturday and Saturday night in the tomb. He was raised back to life by the Father and spoke to Mary Magdalene on Sunday morning, telling her that He was about to ascend to God. He ascended to the Father immediately after that meeting, to fulfil the firstfruits wave offering type and have our sin removed from His account, as prophesied in Zec. 3, at which time he ceased being " in union with the heart of the earth" and became in union with the heart of God/heaven.

Hence He was “Three days and three nights in union with the heart of the earth.”

Paul_Thomson,
re: "Jesus began to bear Israel’s sin when He was declare a blasphemer by the high priest some time between midnight and dawn on Good Friday. He at that time became ‘in union with the heart of the earth’”

That would be an issue for a different topic.

This passage, "Three days and three nights in union with the heart of the earth.” is mystical, deep, experience within life and death.

It always reminds me of this passage from the Buddhist Sutra called The wonderful Sutra of the Lotus of Cause and Effect. In this sense it refers to Jesus arriving and departing again, returning to teach the Supreme Law. This being a principle of life and death.

The death and resurrection, would then be an expedient means to teach the Law.

" …who had been staying in the element of ether underneath this great earth, close to this Saha-world. "

Here all enlightening beings come together with one mind.


context:

"No sooner had the Lord uttered these words than the Saha-world burst open on every side, and from within the clefts arose many hundred thousand myriads of kotis of Bodhisattvas with gold-coloured bodies and the thirty-two characteristic signs of a great man, who had been staying in the element of ether underneath this great earth, close to this Saha-world. These then on hearing the word of the Lord came up from below the earth. Each of these Bodhisattvas had a train of thousands of Bodhisattvas similar to the sands of sixty Ganges rivers; (each had) a troop, a great troop, as teacher of a troop. Of such Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas having a troop, a great troop, as teachers of a troop, there were hundred thousands of myriads of kotis equal to the sands of sixty Ganges rivers, who emerged from the gaps of the earth in this Saha-world. Much more there were to be found of Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas having a train of Bodhisattvas similar to the sands of fifty Ganges rivers; much more there were to be found of Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas having a train of Bodhisattvas similar to the sands of forty Ganges rivers; Of 30, 20, 10, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Ganges river; of 1/2, 1/4, 1/6, 1/10, 1/20, 1/50, 1/100, 1/1000, 1/100,000, 1/10,000,000, 1/100 X 10,000,000, 1/1000 X 10,000,000, 1/100 X 1000 X 10,000,000, 1/100 X 1000 X 10,000 X 10,000,000 part of the river Ganges. Much more there were to be found of Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas having a train of many hundred thousand myriads of kotis of Bodhisattvas; of one koli; of one hundred thousand; of one thousand; Of 500; Of 400; Of 300; Of 200; Of 100; Of 50; Of 40; Of 30; Of 20; Of 10; Of 5, 4, 3, 2. Much more there were to be found of Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas having one follower. Much more there were to be found of Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas standing isolated. They cannot be numbered, counted, calculated, compared, known by occult science, the Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas who emerged from the gaps of the earth to appear in this Saha-world. And after they had successively emerged they went up to the Stûpa of precious substances which stood in the sky, where the Lord Prabhûtaratna, the extinct Tathâgata, was seated along with the Lord Sâkyamuni on the throne. Whereafter they saluted the feet of both Tathâgatas, &c., as well as the images of Tathâgatas produced by the Lord Sâkyamuni from his own body, who all together were seated on thrones at the foot of various jewel trees on every side in all directions, in different worlds. After these Bodhisattvas had many hundred thousand times saluted, and thereon circumambulated the Tathâgatas, &c., from left to right, and celebrated them with various Bodhisattva hymns, they went and kept themselves at a little distance, the joined hands stretched out to honour the Lord Sâkyamuni, the Tathâgata, &c., and the Lord Prabhûtaratna, the Tathâgata, &c.

And while those Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas who had emerged from the gaps of the earth were saluting and celebrating the Tathâgatas by various Bodhisattva hymns, fifty intermediate kalpas in full rolled away, during which fifty intermediate kalpas the Lord Sâkyamuni remained silent, and likewise the four classes of the audience. Then the Lord produced such an effect of magical power that the four classes fancied that it had been no more than one afternoon, and they saw this Saha-world assume the appearance of hundred thousands of worlds replete with Bodhisattvas. The four Bodhisattvas Mahisattvas who were the chiefest of that great host of Bodhisattvas, viz. the Bodhisattva Mahâsattva called Visishtakâritra (i.e. of eminent conduct), the Bodhisattva Mahasattva called Anantakâritra (i.e. of endless conduct), the Bodhisattva Mahâsattva called Visuddhakâritra (i.e. of correct conduct), and the Bodhisattva Mahasattva called Supratishthitakâritra (i.e. of very steady conduct), these four Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas standing at the head of the great host, the great multitude of Bodhisattvas stretched out the joined hands towards the Lord and addressed him thus: Is the Lord in good health? Does he enjoy well-being and good ease? Are the creatures decorous, docile, obedient, correctly performing their task, so that they give no trouble to the Lord?

And those four Bodhisattvas Mahâsattvas addressed the Lord with the two following stanzas:

  1. Does the Lord of the world, the illuminator, feel at ease? Dost thou feel free from bodily disease, O Perfect One?

  2. The creatures, we hope, will be decorous, docile, performing the orders of the Lord of the world, so as to give no trouble…"

According Jewish inclusive reckoning a part of something is counted as one. The minimum possible for three days would be one whole day and two part days, as little as one second, on either either side. One second before sunset + one entire day + one second after sunset: one full day and two seconds. Of course, they probably weren’t able to recognize one second.

To get three days and three nights would require one part day + one whole night + one whole day + one whole night + one whole day + one part night…
Or, one part night + one whole day + one whole night + one whole day + one whole night + one part day.

The only reason for Jews to use “three days and three nights” would be to make it clear that it was not just one part day + one full night + one full day + one part night (i.e. between 24 hrs plus 2 secs and 48 hrs minus two secs), but was 24 hours more than three days (i.e. between 48 hrs plus two secs and 72 hrs minus 2 secs).

Someone new looking in may know of examples.

And that “someone new” needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the “heart of the earth” is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

Jesus said He would be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Matthew 12

“Jesus answered and said unto them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up’”: But he spake of the temple of his body."

Jesus promised it and scripture proves His promise as being fulfilled completely. Jesus did exactly what he said He would do.

Men are wrong when they say Jesus arose the “first day of the week.”

Jesus was buried the evening of preparation day - Luke 23:54 “And that day was the preparation.” The time of lighting the lamps in the temple was about to begin.

He was buried at the end of Wednesday, and raised at the end of Saturday. He was raised at the end of the Sabbath, which corresponds with the exact time He was buried.

If Jesus was buried before sunset on Wednesday, the remaining minutes of Wednesday were one day, by Jewish inclusive reckoning. Wednesday night to Thursday dawn was one night. Thursday dawn to Thursday sunset: a second day. Thursday night to Friday dawn: a second night. Saturday dawn to Saturday sunset: a third day. Saturday night to a pre-dawn resurrection: a third night. (In total three days and three nights.)
Or Saturday dawn to a Saturday pre-sunset resurrection (as you are suggesting): a fourth day. (In total four days and three nights.)

However, Jesus said they would kill him and on the third day, within three days, after three days he would be raised. Jews reckoned the day on which the counting started as day one. That would be Wednesday, according to you. The second day would be Thursday, and the third day would be Friday. For Jesus to be raised on the third day, he would have to rise before Friday evening, not pre-dawn on Saturday.

All three expressions, “on the third day”, “within three days”, and “after three days” mean a part day plus a whole day plus a part day.

The solution is that Jesus was dead for either -Wednesday afternoon, Thursday and part of Thursday sunset to Friday sunset (three days by Jewish inclusive reckoning); or, Thursday afternoon, Friday and part of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset (three days by Jewish inclusive reckoning); or, Friday afternoon, Saturday and part of Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset (three days by Jewish inclusive reckoning).

And three days and three night in the heart of the earth did not mean three days buried in the ground, but something else. Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights. But according to Jonah 2, he was dead for only some of that time not all of it.

I started a new thread since the OP of this thread was not happy with some of the posts.

Piper,
re: “He was buried at the end of Wednesday, and raised at the end of Saturday.”

That would be an issue for a different topic.