Colorado commission has Masterpiece Bakery in its crosshairs again

[mobulis]

@koushi_shinigami

@mobulis

Then the baker has no religious ground to stand on.

because the bible doesn’t use a word that didn’t exist when it was written but instead described the behavior? that’s a lame, weak argument.

Transgenders are different than crossdressers.

[wiley8425]

And Protestants are different from Methodists. You aren’t scoring any points here.

[wiley8425]

I find the “Federal Constitution trumps state and local laws” argument far more convincing. Or does the Supremacy Clause only apply to your pet “issues?”

[mobulis]

@wiley8425

And Protestants are different from Methodists. You aren’t scoring any points here.

Which doesn’t change the fact that the baker has no grounds.

[wiley8425]

He does according to the people who actually matter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/03/24/religious-exemptions-a-guide-for-the-confused/?utm_term=.44a7bc17e569

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

And? The discussion is about whether the court can decide whether it is a valid religion by virtue of it not being an organized religion or held by any number of other people. It has to be a religious belief, yes, what it does not have to be is a recognized, approved or shared religion.

The baker is Christian, thus his belief about transgender IS NOT part of Christianity and is NOT a religious belief.

I thought I already explained this to you.

[zantax]

@calirepub

And can someone refuse custom orders to all members of a certain religion? If the baker would make custom orders for Christian birthdays, but not Jewish birthdays?

No, he can’t refused orders based on who you are, but he can refuse to create things he objects to.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

And? The discussion is about whether the court can decide whether it is a valid religion by virtue of it not being an organized religion or held by any number of other people. It has to be a religious belief, yes, what it does not have to be is a recognized, approved or shared religion.

The baker is Christian, thus his belief about transgender IS NOT part of Christianity and is NOT a religious belief.

I thought I already explained this to you.

And your wrong.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@calirepub

And can someone refuse custom orders to all members of a certain religion? If the baker would make custom orders for Christian birthdays, but not Jewish birthdays?

No, he can’t refused orders based on who you are, but he can refuse to create things he objects to.

He’s objecting based on who the customer is.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

And? The discussion is about whether the court can decide whether it is a valid religion by virtue of it not being an organized religion or held by any number of other people. It has to be a religious belief, yes, what it does not have to be is a recognized, approved or shared religion.

The baker is Christian, thus his belief about transgender IS NOT part of Christianity and is NOT a religious belief.

I thought I already explained this to you.

And your wrong.

Well lets see, I provided legal precedent and scholars to support my argument and you have provided the above so…

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

And? The discussion is about whether the court can decide whether it is a valid religion by virtue of it not being an organized religion or held by any number of other people. It has to be a religious belief, yes, what it does not have to be is a recognized, approved or shared religion.

The baker is Christian, thus his belief about transgender IS NOT part of Christianity and is NOT a religious belief.

I thought I already explained this to you.

And your wrong.

Well lets see, I provided legal precedent and scholars to support my argument and you have provided the above so…

Your still wrong.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

And? The discussion is about whether the court can decide whether it is a valid religion by virtue of it not being an organized religion or held by any number of other people. It has to be a religious belief, yes, what it does not have to be is a recognized, approved or shared religion.

The baker is Christian, thus his belief about transgender IS NOT part of Christianity and is NOT a religious belief.

I thought I already explained this to you.

And your wrong.

Well lets see, I provided legal precedent and scholars to support my argument and you have provided the above so…

Your still wrong.

Persuasive argument. Were you captain of the debate team in college?

[mobulis]

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

@mobulis

@zantax

And? The discussion is about whether the court can decide whether it is a valid religion by virtue of it not being an organized religion or held by any number of other people. It has to be a religious belief, yes, what it does not have to be is a recognized, approved or shared religion.

The baker is Christian, thus his belief about transgender IS NOT part of Christianity and is NOT a religious belief.

I thought I already explained this to you.

And your wrong.

Well lets see, I provided legal precedent and scholars to support my argument and you have provided the above so…

Your still wrong.

Persuasive argument. Were you captain of the debate team in college?

I don’t care about persuading you.

[zantax]

I know, you are just a troll.

[WuWei]

@mobulis

But he doesn’t have the right to treat people badly because of his bigotry.

Emphasis mine.

[WuWei]

@mobulis

Transgenders are different than crossdressers.

Who do they have sex with?

[mobulis]

@WuWei

@mobulis

Transgenders are different than crossdressers.

Who do they have sex with?

Whoever they want.

[WuWei]

@mobulis

Whoever they want.

There’s your answer from the Bible.

[mobulis]

@WuWei

@mobulis

Whoever they want.

There’s your answer from the Bible.

Nope…

[zantax]

@WuWei

@mobulis

Whoever they want.

There’s your answer from the Bible.

As I outlined earlier in the thread, it doesn’t matter what the Bible says, judges don’t sit around interpreting scripture in these kind of cases, all that matters is whether it is a sincerely held religious belief of his, nobody else and no scripture of any sort needed.