Cohen admites he made the stormy payment at trumps diection

This MORONS presidency ended when he decided to retain Jeff Sessions the day he recused himself from the investigation.

What crimes did Special Counsel find and charge Clinton with?

Am I missing something?

Oh right. Iā€™m a dunce. Long days a work and not enough coffee. Sorry for replying to something you didnā€™t say. Doh!! :confused:

Well the Dems better Approve Trumps Judge pick or they will be having Mike Pence Pick a Judge after they Demā€™s Impeach Trump.
Because you know Pence will pick someone who is everything the Left hates. Even more so than Trumps Picks.

So now we get a Religious Right President in Mike Pence.
So we will have 2 years of the left crying about everything Pence does policy wise.
But he acts Presidential why he shafts you.

He used campaign contributions to do this? Please post the broken law.

Trumpā€™s perp walk is inching closer.

that could have a devastating effect on the country. when you get down to it the only way the president governs is by the consent of the goverened

If a majority of people start to believe that the government is a truly corrupt entity that could cause people to start to ignore it. take income taxes for example. right now tax compliance in the US is very high. in places like italy where government corruption is more entrenched compliance is much lower. what happens if americans start ignoring taxes. thereā€™s a real limit in what the IRS could do. they cant prosecute everyone.

I donā€™t think it will be a smooth, seamless transition to Pence, like some slow dissolve in a movie.

I am still betting Trump finishes his term, but if he doesnā€™tā€“given all the different options and scenarios availableā€“the process will be wrenching and devastating for the GOP. Do you think Trump is just going to bow out, with a quiet handshake and a magnanimous squeeze of Penceā€™s shoulder? LOL.

Payment wise I think they would need to show that the ā€œslush fundā€ was used for Campaign items as well. Then you would need to verify that the ā€œfundā€ had no money from Donors in it. That it was Trumps money.
Then they would need to prove that he payed off the Porn star for Campaign reasons and not to hide his cheating from his wife.
It doesnā€™t look good but Cohen rep is already tarnished as well.

If Trump is Indicted how long will that all take? I suspect Trump will stay in office if he is regardless. Unless Pence and others can convince him to step down for the best of the country and his supporters.

It is a tough Call I do believe Trump could be convinced to resign if he does get Indicted soon. It really depends on how fast Mueller would pull down an Indictment.
I donā€™t think anyone would want to place bets one way or the other if Trump would or would not.
And yes if he is Indicted and stays in that will hurt the GOP unless. He is Indicted and stays in and wins. Then it will look bad for the Dems because it will strengthen the idea it has all been just a witch hunt.

I agree it is going to be messy

In the military it is understood that you have the right to disobey an ā€œUnlawfulā€ order. This person saying He was only following orders, means 2 things, He needs written proof or otherwise to prove He was so ordered , and also Why He felt that it was the thing to do in carrying it out. Whatā€™s going to happen is that in the near future most of these men are going to counter sue and claim they said those things because they were under ā€œDURESSā€ to do so by The Prosecutions team.

I watched Hannity last night for obvious reasons and while I knew he would minimize and deflect it was pretty breathtaking to watch. Hannity who is a seasoned political observer has to realize that the revelation by Cohen is going to impact the President. Well we know he knows that but in his unofficial press secretary position he has to go all in supporting Trump.

Another observation I have of Hannity is he no longer refers to himself as a Reagan Conservative. How long will it be before he is using the term Trump Conservative?

That makes absolutely no difference at allā€¦ All they would have to do is convince a jury the payments benefited the campaign. Nothing moreā€¦

Given the timing, would you at least admit that the timing of this argument would pose a problem for the defense?

An indictment could come quickly, the challenge to an indictment and the legal battles to determine if a sitting president can be indicted would take much longer.

Um what

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I watched Hannity last night too, for the first time in a long, long time.

It was pretty loony from start to finish, but it got absolutely crackers when Levin came on talking about Cohen pleading guilty to crimes that did not exist.

It was the only show I would ever label fun and nerve wracking.

Lol. What a great post.

Huh? How would trump winning a 2nd term after being indicted strengthen the idea of it being a witch hunt? What does winning a 2nd term have anything to do with the legal validity of the indictment? All that would show is that Republicans donā€™t give a ā– ā– ā– ā–  about the law

Yes they need to convince with actual Evidence that it was used. Because if it wasnā€™t actually used and Trumps team would have reasonable doubt that it was a campaign finance violation. So I doubt Mueller would post an Indictment if he goes forward with out actually knowing if it was or wasnā€™t.

Of course the timing is suspect. But lots of people come out of the wood work when people run for office to get quick money from candidates to silence the accusations.
I think most people know that.

It does look bad and will be a long fight.