Slaves were a huge part of the Southern population. They were everywhere. In some states there were more slaves than free people.
Which is why, despite the South insisting slaves were subhuman and not deserving rights, still counted as 3/5ths of a human being for the census. That way the South was overrepresented in Congress.
Until Lincoln, not a single US President came from a non-slave state because of this. Lincoln was elected despite the fact that he was not even listed as a candidate in any slave state. That is when the South decided to quit and take their ball home.
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As i said most people in the south didn’t have them and i might add the civil war is over.
A lot of folks do not seem aware of that. 
Yes, all of those people flying Confederate Flags are not aware of that.
Most of the leftists posting in here today seem to be unaware as well right? 
I don’t care for confederate flags nor for BLM flags either but i have no right to order anyone to get rid of them.
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I way I look at it is simple. Military bases are a godsend for a state. Virginia is literally recession proof from all the Federal largesse that streams in. And most states in the old Confederacy have substantial incomes from military bases. God help you if you even hint that we don’t need that many bases, they will scream from the rooftops to keep them open because of the jobs they provide.
Michigan? We don’t have anything to mention. An Air Force national guard base. Few hundred people stationed there.
And most Northern states are in similar disadvantages.
But what steams my clam even worse is when Southern States bag on Northern States for their higher unemployment because they don’t have bases and have the gall to put Confederate names on US Military bases and Confederate statues in their town squares. One minute you hear Southerners talking about real “Muricans” and the next they are polishing a Confederate Civil War Cannon and waving the Stars and Bars.
It doesn’t make sense. We are all Americans. The Confederacy lost.
Get over it.
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zantax
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The north was actually out producing the south in cotton when the war began. Slaves are horrible workers. It’s almost like they don’t want to be there.
You seem confused. The Civil War was the USA vs the CSA. The Democrats only existed in the USA. If you were a Democrat in the USA and but left the USA to join the CSA you were no longer a Democrat. I don’t think the CSA really did political parties.
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There’s something certainly ironic about flying the Confederate battle flag while being a member of the party of Lincoln.
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bootz
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You ask the wrong question entirely.
The issue is authoritarianism versus freedom.
what rights to the people of China have versus the state?
how about Russia versus the state.
how about Venezuela or Cuba.
If you were a commoner born in Europe in 1500 what rights did you have?
If you were bound to the land and therefore a landowner were you free?
slavery was common in the north for white settlers that earned their passage to the new world by pledging servitude for a period of years. After the term of their contract they were free to pursue their happiness.
The difference between tne north and the south was the ease of acquiring property in the north and have a small farm.
In the South land was owned primarily by large plantation owners.
although not called so in the day you had a very open economy in the north versus a state run economy by the elites in the south.
economically the lack of opportunity led to oppression and slavery of poor whites and blacks
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Slavery was framed at the beginning the founding fathers knew this would be something to deal with, they wanted later generations to deal with it.
They kicked the can down the road.
They didn’t want to deal with it because they felt unity between the colonies was more important than the plight of slaves.
It was their great moral mistake. And a generation later 700,000 Americans had to die to make it right.
IBC
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I often wonder how long it would have lasted without the Civil War. If growing industrialization, innovation, and the abolition movement had continued changing the American landscape, would it have brought a natural end without the loss of life and the subsequent production of the rebel mentality in the south?
Without expansion, slavery was on a dying vine. One does have to wonder if reconstruction/reform would have been so long and so difficult.

TheRedComet:
They kicked the can down the road.
They didn’t want to deal with it because they felt unity between the colonies was more important than the plight of slaves.
It was their great moral mistake. And a generation later 700,000 Americans had to die to make it right.
According to some posters here, not all of those 700k were Americans, though…

toreyj01:
I way I look at it is simple. Military bases are a godsend for a state. Virginia is literally recession proof from all the Federal largesse that streams in. And most states in the old Confederacy have substantial incomes from military bases. God help you if you even hint that we don’t need that many bases, they will scream from the rooftops to keep them open because of the jobs they provide.
Michigan? We don’t have anything to mention. An Air Force national guard base. Few hundred people stationed there.
And most Northern states are in similar disadvantages.
But what steams my clam even worse is when Southern States bag on Northern States for their higher unemployment because they don’t have bases and have the gall to put Confederate names on US Military bases and Confederate statues in their town squares. One minute you hear Southerners talking about real “Muricans” and the next they are polishing a Confederate Civil War Cannon and waving the Stars and Bars.
It doesn’t make sense. We are all Americans. The Confederacy lost.
Get over it.
Are you telling me to get over the civil war? Really?
I’m glad the north won. It preserved the nation and led to the 13th amendment.
The rest of the rant doesn’t even merit response.

IBC:
I often wonder how long it would have lasted without the Civil War. If growing industrialization, innovation, and the abolition movement had continued changing the American landscape, would it have brought a natural end without the loss of life and the subsequent production of the rebel mentality in the south?
No, I don’t think so. I think slavery would exist today in the CSA had they been able to secure their independence.
Mainly, we have always had a thirst for exploited labor. Once slavery ended that thirst turned to Asians, children, convict leasing (look that one up, nasty business) and finally, once all of those could no longer be used, undocumented immigrants.
Which is why there is so much resistance for legalization, they want that population to remain intact so they can exploit them and abuse them. Don’t want to pay them? Don’t. What are they going to do? Go to the Police?
Second, it wasn’t just labor slaves were used for. Women and children were raped and abused, men were tortured and hobbled. If you make a few babies raping a slave, sell them for a tidy profit. There are some sick people out there who would have no problems keeping a system in place that would allow you to murder and rape to your hearts content because the people suffering from this aren’t considered human, but livestock.
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Safiel:
Modifying the scenario of the OP to the following:
How long would slavery have lasted under any of the following scenarios:
- The Democratic vote was not split in 1860 and a Democrat won, no secession.
- Lincoln won, but cooler heads prevailed and no secession.
or
- Secession occurred, the North acquiesced.
- Secession occurred, the North lost the war.
Under all four scenarios, slavery ends, the time frame being the only difference.
Under scenarios 1 & 2, slavery lasts another 25 years at the outside.
Under scenarios 3 & 4, slavery is done in 10 to 15 years at the outside.
We have to understand WHY slavery ended so quickly in the North. It was certainly NOT because the population as a whole of the North was more high minded than the population of the South as a whole. All northern States had black codes, some more stringent than others and the activities and movement of blacks were limited as where their rights. They were clearly legally inferior to whites and whites had little better view of blacks in the north than did those in the south.
What killed slavery in the North was none other than that brilliant economic system called capitalism. The north was industrialized and farming in the north was less labor intensive than planting in the south. Slaves are expensive and as they compete with free labor, they are resented by free whites. There was every economic reason to end slavery in the north and capitalism put an early and effective end to slavery in the north.
The south, on the other hand, was organized almost on a feudalistic basis. Poor whites were excluded from the franchise and labor intensive farming made slavery economically viable in the south’s non-capitalistic system. Essentially, it was a feudal system of serfdom, with the serfs being replaced by slaves.
Had the south not seceded, as in scenarios 1 & 2, it still would have had to industrialize, to stay economically viable in the industrial revolution that was occurring. That would have led to the rise of a free white working class who would have taken offense at competing with slaves. At the same time, rapidly increasing trade with far east and southeast Asia would have undercut southern plantations, rendering slavery nonviable and eventually forcing a shift to other crops that would not have required slavery. Additionally, the inventions of the industrial revolution would have quickly rendered slavery nonviable.
The same situation would existed under scenarios 3 & 4, but additionally, an independent south would no longer have had the benefit of the fugitive slave law and would have lost slaves to the north at a vastly increased rate. Additionally, an independent south would have had to industrialize at a vastly increased rate, thus accelerating the end of slavery.
Slavery was dead in all circumstances. Capitalism was the force that would have ended it in all circumstances. Only the time frame would change.
Dad burn it!! Quit making people think!! 