Birth Control and Minor Youth

U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, a former religious liberty lawyer, found that a federal program that gives teens access to birth control denies a parent “a fundamental right to control and direct the upbringing of his minor children.”

Trump appointee.

This is interesting to me because of the quote at the end.

Do parents have “a fundamental right to control and direct the upbringing of his minor children”?

The article links to another Texas tops the nation in teens giving birth multiple times | The Texas Tribune ,implying causation of an outcome.

Does the state have a delegated authority to usurp this “fundamental right” of parents?

Are minors capable of consent? If so, why on this and not that?

From the first link:

“In a family planning setting, it is critical that adolescents have access to high-quality, confidential care from a provider who supports and respects their values,” Coleman said. “Title X-funded providers are considered highly trusted sources of health care information for their patients, and not being able to access confidential care will block a critical pathway to essential health services for young people.”

Emphasis mine. Says who?

WHO defines adolescence as 10-19. 10 years old. Is an 11 year-old capable of consenting to medication?

On the other hand, there is the reality of adolescent sexual activity/pregnancy. Due in no small part to the new sensibility.

What has caused pre-teens being sexually active to be “reality”?

That is a very difficult discussion. I can see it from both sides.

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Agreed. Is it the purview of the state? I have zero issue with parents deciding to provide contraceptives for their adolescent daughters.

I’m planning on putting my daughter on the pill when she starts with the red scare. Bad enough having to deal with that crap once a month, but soon twice? Lord have mercy. :rofl:

Parent’s choice.

My issue is with the state doing it behind the parents’ back.

That’s definitely some creepy nastiness on their part.

Not surprised though, considering the transgender trash being foisted upon grade schoolers lately.

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I am not sure. It is the state preview for a child to receive proper medical care / be safe. But at what point does it trump the parents rights. It needs to be a high barrier to trump the parents. But where that line lies is difficult.

What? I don’t think I agree with that at all. Obvious exception being “safe” while in state custody such as school.

Does it ever “trump the parents rights”? Is it abuse to not provide contraception to adolescents? Is an 11 year-old capable of making informed consent? Who is monitoring for undue pressure?

Is the state co-parenting?

IMO…it’s the parents’ choice up until the age of 18 or the child moves out of their parents’ house.

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What about child abuse cases? Keeping them in cages, starving them ect. If they are not in state custody it is OK? Should the state have authority to take them in custody and provide medical care?

Yes for example when the child is being raped by the parent.

99.9% it would not be.

No, but a doctor is.

No

Come on man.

We are not discussing child abuse, are we? Don’t leap to argumentum ad absurdum.

Stop.

What’s the other 0.1%?

A doctor is capable of giving informed consent for your child? No.

Are you sure the state is not co-parenting? It is a law that precludes the parents in favor of the state.

Don’t play your little games with me. I said it was a very high barrier. You said you did not agree. I showed you an example of that high barrier.

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Read above, stop with your little games. You were wrong there is a barrier. I showed it. You think a 11 year old who is raped might not need a contraceptive?

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Rape is not the topic. You immediately leap to dragging absurdity into the conversation.

The topic is contraception in adolescents without parental consent or even knowledge. Not rape.

I’m not playing games.

This “tactic” is one of the reasons no discussion ever goes anywhere here.

“Oh yeah! What if they want to marry an imu!”

You didn’t answer the question.

No, I don’t think an 11 year-old raped needs a contraceptive. I think they need an abortion and a gun. Unless we are planning to allow the rape to continue.

Is it the purview of the state to hide rape from the parents?

I most definitely did you just didn’t like the answer.

I would rather give them a morning after pill if possible.

How does providing contraception without parental consent address rape by a parent?

No, you dragged the topic of discussion completely off track.

Sure, without parental consent?