For college, online learning. No need for these giant sprawling campuses. Cost could be cut in half.
Freedom FIRST, over safety, convoluted leftist âcommon senseâ, or any other EXCUSE to remove our freedom.
Gotta disagree, Ceasar.
This debate isnât really about freedom versus safety. Too simple. The debate here is how does a leader of a Democracy with the guarantee of personal freedoms best balance that guarantee with collective needs; health, safety, security, etc.
Your simple distillation of this argument implies one side is for freedom and the other not; a narrative that is not only grossly incorrect but ignores the intrinsic, perennial, maddeningly difficult and noble struggle that is Democracy.
Yes, leaders have erred, and yes some may lean (at a given moment) more towards personal freedoms over collective needs or its opposite. But all Americans are wild about their personal freedoms, and the issue front and center today, vaccine mandates, demonstrates this perfectly. Both sides of the issue want to exercise and protect their sacred freedoms. Equally. They just place different emphases on those freedoms.
Thereâs that word againâŚCollectiveâŚ
Ceasar: WorldWatcher: Ceasar:Common sense is in short supply FROM the left.
No I do not support limiting freedom just because you are an employee of any organization, government especially.Freedom FIRST, over safety, convoluted leftist âcommon senseâ, or any other EXCUSE to remove our freedom.
Do you support the freedom of private businesses to set the workplace rules for employees and customers?
Or should big government come in and tell them that you canât have vaccine mandates and/or require masks during a pandemic?
WW
How many times do I need to answer that? You left out a lot of the quote from me. You are ignoring the answers so are not an honest debater.
Actually Iâm a very honest debater.
I provided my input on employers and their ability to provide a save work environment for their customers.
You says FREEDOM over safety, well what about the rights to employer.
WW
Constitutional rights & inalienable rights over government or employers. Period.
zantax: amadeus: zantax: amadeus: zantax: amadeus: zantax: amadeus: zantax: amadeus:Do you really care if it was a state or federal mandate?
Of course, we have a constitution for a reason, it should be followed.
So you donât care if what was individual states or the federal government to issue a polio vaccine mandate?
What? I am pretty sure I just said the opposite.
So, in the case of polio, you would be in favor of a federal mandate, right?
No, thought I was clear, the federal government has no authority to mandate vaccines, states do.
Hmm. OK. I now remember. Even if Sneaky hates it, I will brag on my mother again. She was the director of the polio vaccine program in the state I grew up in. There is a photograph, an advertisement, for the program. It showed my mother, who was quite short, administering the polio vaccine to Wilt Chamberlain. Trying to find that photo now.
Try not to confuse do it the right way, constitutionally, with anti vax.
Iâm of two minds about that. Personally, I think it should be mandated unless there is a medical reason otherwise. So, itâs like I donât care who mandates it, as long as it is for the common good.
Yeah. you wouldnât be at all hesitant if Trump was President and his people were in charge at the CDC and NIH.
That is not the issue we have. It has been FDA approved and 5.64 billion vaccine doses have been administered worldwide. Itâs free, safe and effective. At this point, it is just stubborness.
Tell that to the 15000 who died from it.
WuWei: DisturbedGuy:Absolutely, the city college in my area has bought up blocks of property. So much so, Ohio State is cheaper.
What is your proposal?
For college, online learning. No need for these giant sprawling campuses. Cost could be cut in half.
Interesting. I agree with smaller campuses. As for online learning, I would like to see some studies from objective sources on the efficacy of that type.
Of course a lot of people in college shouldnât be there
DisturbedGuy: WuWei: DisturbedGuy:Absolutely, the city college in my area has bought up blocks of property. So much so, Ohio State is cheaper.
What is your proposal?
For college, online learning. No need for these giant sprawling campuses. Cost could be cut in half.
Interesting. I agree with smaller campuses. As for online learning, I would like to see some studies from objective sources on the efficacy of that type.
Of course a lot of people in college shouldnât be there
Prerequisite stuff can be done online for the most part, if you donât need a lab day. Anthropology, Literature, History etc. as examples. And there is no reason that you canât have a massive online college that provides this free of charge, or nearly free.
You can get Scholars and great minds to offer classes to hundreds of thousands of students at the same time, with those students getting a world class education from the thought leaders of our generation. For free or at a very low rate.
Testing can be done online, secured and convenient, with instant grading.
When it comes to more hands on stuff, you need Colleges and Universities. But we donât need them to be barriers to the middle class. State Colleges and Universities should be free of charge for residents, private universities can charge what they like.
WuWei: DisturbedGuy: WuWei: DisturbedGuy:Absolutely, the city college in my area has bought up blocks of property. So much so, Ohio State is cheaper.
What is your proposal?
For college, online learning. No need for these giant sprawling campuses. Cost could be cut in half.
Interesting. I agree with smaller campuses. As for online learning, I would like to see some studies from objective sources on the efficacy of that type.
Of course a lot of people in college shouldnât be there
Prerequisite stuff can be done online for the most part, if you donât need a lab day. Anthropology, Literature, History etc. as examples. And there is no reason that you canât have a massive online college that provides this free of charge, or nearly free.
You can get Scholars and great minds to offer classes to hundreds of thousands of students at the same time, with those students getting a world class education from the thought leaders of our generation. For free or at a very low rate.
Testing can be done online, secured and convenient, with instant grading.
When it comes to more hands on stuff, you need Colleges and Universities. But we donât need them to be barriers to the middle class. State Colleges and Universities should be free of charge for residents, private universities can charge what they like.
NOTHING is free. NOTHING. We will pay one way or another. Low IQ people should not be in college. Sorry for the âEqualityâ left in denial of reason, but they are not capable of doing the work, & should find another career. Itâs a waste of time & money. They can make a great living in the trades. Sometimes better than the so-called educated.
Anything worth having is worth paying for yourself, If we turn out millions of degreed people & have too many of them in any field, they become a dime a dozen, & their education is of little value, because wages are driven down.
I have a sister who is a genius & I think 6 years in university. Never once had a job in her majors or minors. Waste of time & money. She speaks 3 languages, spent many years in Europe, & now lives in poverty in Ohio.
Her husband is a brain too, speaks several languages, & never had a job in his major. Not that they wasted their life, they truly did not, but they just never used their sheepskins.
Government paid diplomas arenât as appreciated as self paid. If you invest in your own degree you will be more serious about it, work harder, & choose carefully.
I once heard of a professor who would ask everyone in his class to stand that had their education paid for by someone other than themselves. Then had them sit down & asked everyone who was paying their own way, working & going to school at the same time, & struggling to stand. A small number stood.
He told the class to look at those people, that they was their future boss.
Good news. Or bad news for those who think the vaccine doesnât prevent spread. Initial data from large populations show a 40-60% decrease in spread from those vaccinated.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
144,525 health care workers plus their 194,362 household members evaluated. Vaccination resulted in a 60% decrease in transmission.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717
Nearly one million household contacts were reviewed. Vaccinated resulted in a 40-50% decrease in transmission.
I realize this wonât change the beliefs of those who donât use science in forming an opinion.
If itâs not a 100% then itâs not good enough
Good news. Or bad news for those who think the vaccine doesnât prevent spread. Initial data from large populations show a 40-60% decrease in spread from those vaccinated.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
144,525 health care workers plus their 194,362 household members evaluated. Vaccination resulted in a 60% decrease in transmission.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717
Nearly one million household contacts were reviewed. Vaccinated resulted in a 40-50% decrease in transmission.
I realize this wonât change the beliefs of those who donât use science in forming an opinion.
Who here doesnât think vaccines slow the spread?
SottoVoce:Good news. Or bad news for those who think the vaccine doesnât prevent spread. Initial data from large populations show a 40-60% decrease in spread from those vaccinated.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
144,525 health care workers plus their 194,362 household members evaluated. Vaccination resulted in a 60% decrease in transmission.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717
Nearly one million household contacts were reviewed. Vaccinated resulted in a 40-50% decrease in transmission.
I realize this wonât change the beliefs of those who donât use science in forming an opinion.
Who here doesnât think vaccines slow the spread?
EXACTLY! False narrative & false projection.
SottoVoce:Good news. Or bad news for those who think the vaccine doesnât prevent spread. Initial data from large populations show a 40-60% decrease in spread from those vaccinated.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
144,525 health care workers plus their 194,362 household members evaluated. Vaccination resulted in a 60% decrease in transmission.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717
Nearly one million household contacts were reviewed. Vaccinated resulted in a 40-50% decrease in transmission.
I realize this wonât change the beliefs of those who donât use science in forming an opinion.
Who here doesnât think vaccines slow the spread?
Meanwhile recent data from Israel shows that vaccine effectiveness in prevent infection has reached virtually zero.
Yes, COVID is here to stay and the vaccines are close to worthless in preventing its spread.
Vaccinations reduce symptoms. As the virus adapts for a vaccinated population, they will do nothing to prevent transmission.
Thereâs one person.
From when?
My receptionist, 22 years of age, had Covid. She was very ill but not ill enough to be hospitalized. It was about a week and a half before she was approved for the monoclonal antibody treatment.
It is my understanding that we had several centers set up for this treatment but once the Fed government got involved restrictions were set with hoops to jump through.
This has to be administered early. A week and a half isnât early. Damage has already been done that could have been negated.
Is she vaccinated?
Is she vaccinated?
It is none of my business to ask.
What are your thoughts on the post aside from pre-screening people?
Is she vaccinated?
I just cant understand why so many are insistent in demanding everyone accepts a government mandated one size fits all approach, especially when that approach can be fatal to some, and useless to others, i.e., those having acquired natural immunity.
You would have been helpful during the WWII rationing and the polio vaccine rollout.
First belly laugh of the day.