Bernie dodges question about effect of immigration on wages

[Bill.in.PA]

Yes, white blue-collar workers used to be the base for the Democratic Party. In 2016, these voters recognized that the Democrats were more than happy to give their jobs to immigrants and foreign workers.

In 2020, I would not be surprised if the rest of the blue-collar vote will move towards Trump as the Democrats promote open borders. In 2018, they even refused to support a resolution of support for the federal agents who enforce the laws:

On Wednesday, the House voted on a bill that simply expressed Congress’ “continued support for all United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers and personnel who carry out the important mission of ICE” and “the efforts of all Federal agencies, State law enforcement, and military personnel who bring law and order to our Nation’s borders.” . . .

Just 18 Democrats voted for this resolution. Thirty-five voted no. And the other 133 dodged the issue altogether by voting “present.” Democrats complained that the vote was just a political stunt.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

[Camp]

The second option would be acceptable.

That does make some sense.

[Grimalken]

I don’t think he’s ever really had a job, so maybe he was just out of his element

[gooddad409]

@DougBH

When illegals take over doing the manual roofing work in an area, that’s not going to hurt the roofing contractors. Heck, they may appreciate the cheap labor so much they’ll give money to their local open borders legislators.
And maybe you can say those jobs don’t pay so well anyway so Americans wouldn’t want them. But if illegals weren’t doing them, someone, likely without many college skills, would have to do them. And it would require paying what was needed if one wanted roofs.
So for those who barely made it through high school, there’s an opportunity gone to make a semi decent living.
You don’t really need to perform some statistical study to figure this out…though feel free to do so.

That’s the whole thing n a nutshell. Well put.

[gooddad409]

@Grimalken

I don’t think he’s ever really had a job, so maybe he was just out of his element

Probably so.

[Grimalken]

@Bill.in.PA

On Wednesday, the House voted on a bill that simply expressed Congress’ “continued support for all United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers and personnel who carry out the important mission of ICE” and “the efforts of all Federal agencies, State law enforcement, and military personnel who bring law and order to our Nation’s borders.” . . .

Just 18 Democrats voted for this resolution. Thirty-five voted no. And the other 133 dodged the issue altogether by voting “present.” Democrats complained that the vote was just a political stunt.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

That’s just sad. Should tell us all we need to know about Democrats

[Camp]

Good find!

[conan]

Sue it does, from energy it take to produce them, raw materials shipping them to distributors and final destination.

All depend es on that energy/oil.

[conan]

It tells me that poster in question never had entry level job.

[WildRose]

Every study ever done shows that the tighter the labor pool the higher wages that are offered.

They also show that as the labor pool grows there is downward pressure on wages.

There is no job Americans won’t do if enough money is offered.

[Paul_Thomson]

Conan, you have to remember that Democrats are intellectuals and are so much smarter than others. We are just too dumb to recognise the nuances they pick up which turn basic economics on their heads.

[Weedhopper]

@Bill.in.PA

Why should blue-collar workers support Democrats who favor open borders?

Any American supporting open borders supports the suffering of Human trafficking and that is sick.

[JayJay]

@Weedhopper

@Bill.in.PA

Why should blue-collar workers support Democrats who favor open borders?

Any American supporting open borders supports the suffering of Human trafficking and that is sick.

Human trafficking is actually negatively correlated to openness of borders.

(No I am not promoting open borders…simply pointing out this argument is fallacious).

[Weedhopper]

Falls!

[conan]

Such intellectuals repeat things over and over again just to convince themselves they’re intellectuals.

[Paul_Thomson]

How do you fuel your 24/7 gaslight?

[JayJay]

@Paul_Thomson

How do you fuel your 24/7 gaslight?

I understand that facts and data might appear as gaslighting to some…

[Paul_Thomson]

@JayJay

I understand that facts and data might appear as gaslighting to some…

Claiming you have facts, and the ideas you hold actually being facts, or being forensically relevant and probative facts are not the same things.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

I’m confused. I though getting rid of the minimum wage would be good for the US economy. Why are Republicans so concerned about immigrants working low wages?

[WildRose]

Basic economics, labor is a commodity, when you have excess labor the price goes down, when you have a labor shortage the cost goes up.

The supply and demand equation is the same whether the commodity is labor, crude oil, potable water, or corn.