An election prediction I believe most/all will agree with

[Samm]

@Ben_Natuf

yes, it is gerrymandering and any denial you make is just that, denial. Gerrymandering is not limited to political affiliation. There is nothing you’re going to say, no argument you’re going to make and no pointless dance you can do to make it otherwise.

You are wrong. The only thing that defines gerrymandering is the manipulation of political boundaries for political advantage.

[Samm]

@Ben_Natuf

@Samm

and illegal under DoJ rules.

no its not

Yes, actually it is. And when there is an accusation of a violation, the DoJ takes the State (the Party in authority that set the boundaries) to Federal Court to adjudicate it.

[Ben_Natuf]

which may or may not have anything to do with party. all depends on what you’re trying to achieve

[Ben_Natuf]

@Samm

And when there is an accusation of a violation, the DoJ takes the State (the Party in authority that set the boundaries) to Federal Court to adjudicate it.

doj rules do not make it illegal, the VRA does and it has nothing to do with party. its about race

[Nemesis]

Lol sorry l.

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

If Trump wins all hell is going to break loose, as they will never accept it and many of their supporters will take whatever radical action they encourages them towards.

Not nearly to the same extent. Not even close.

[TheRedComet]

Yeah far as I can tell gerrymandering is perfectly fine as long as it’s not based on racial or ethnic makeup of a given population.

[WuWei]

Forgetting the Summer of Love?

[Ben_Natuf]

Gerrymandering ensures minority party representation.

CA is about 43% dem and 24% GOP. If they made every district 43% dem and 24% GOP how many republicans would get elected?

TX is 37% GOP and 22% dem, if every district was drawn with 37% GOP and 22% Dems, how many democrats would get elected?

of course, you could say that would be a good thing, because if the minority party ever did want to get anyone elected they would have to cater to independents, which would make them less extreme.

In my mind, this would be a good use of gerrymandering. The way we do it now only caters to extremes and the VRA just makes it worse.

Demanding minority (race) representation means majority minority districts have to be created, This means moving minorities who would otherwise be in another district into one where extremism will be the order of the day (Think AOC and Maxine Waters) and by doing this making the more conservative districts around them even more conservative (Think Goetz and MTG)

[Samm]

@Ben_Natuf

which may or may not have anything to do with party. all depends on what you’re trying to achieve

Exactly. Political advantage regardless of which Party did it.

[Ben_Natuf]

nice try

be better.

[Samm]

@Ben_Natuf

@Samm

And when there is an accusation of a violation, the DoJ takes the State (the Party in authority that set the boundaries) to Federal Court to adjudicate it.

doj rules do not make it illegal, the VRA does and it has nothing to do with party. its about race

Originally it was. Now it’s about Party affiliation and who is trying to keep power. And I say keep power, not get power, because only the Party in power gets to set voting district boundaries.

[Ben_Natuf]

@Samm

Now it’s about Party affiliation and who is trying to keep power

false, there are no DoJ rules regarding party affiliation, and if there were it would be unlawful.

[Samm]

@TheRedComet

Yeah far as I can tell gerrymandering is perfectly fine as long as it’s not based on racial or ethnic makeup of a given population.

That’s not true. Manipulating voting district boundaries for the purpose of gaining an advantage of numbers in elected officials … regardless of race or ethnic make-up … by the Party that set those boundaries is by definition gerrymandering. Complaints often arise from an incumbent being cut out of their district and having to face another incumbent of the same Party because the redistricting put their residence in that other district. We see that up here virtually every time the boundaries change and it has nothing whatsoever to do with race or ethnicity.

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

Forgetting the Summer of Love?

No sir.

[Oldandtired]

I doubt it.

[WuWei]

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

Forgetting the Summer of Love?

No sir.

Same people. Same capacity.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

If Trump wins all hell is going to break loose, as they will never accept it and many of their supporters will take whatever radical action they encourages them towards.

Not nearly to the same extent. Not even close.

Don’t be so sure:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-makes-another-bizarre-blunder-trump-republicans-are-the-kind-you-want-to-smack-in-the-a/vi-AA1tqkQ4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=4ceee547cf0d452db9f65e785ffcef9a&ei=11

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

Forgetting the Summer of Love?

No sir.

Same people. Same capacity.

I expect ugliness either way, but Trump is the wild card here. The left surely has the same capacity, can’t disagree with that, but they don’t have Trump egging them on.

[tnt]

@DougBH

@tnt

If Trump loses, I think things might mellow out and return to like an Obama/Bush era level of division.

And I think not. Tump represents one side of the split in this country, he is not the cause of it.

I think he is. I’ve never seen Bush or Obama supporters wearing ■■■■■ Al Gore’ or ■■■■■ John McCain’ shirts, have you?