yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
Far less heat trapped than computer models predicted.
yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe:Yeah. Not what is going on here at all.
There is a ton of evidence and decades worth of research that show that there is a warming trend. Even more research shows that it is caused by humans.
Linking to one non published, non peer reviewed white paper on daily caller doesn’t erase that.
theres well over a ton of hysteria, scare mongering, wrong models and wrong predictions and decades of politics involved too.
good reasons to consider other scientific data
It isn’t scientific data that they are bring to you, but a rejection of how everyone models this.
They don’t offer their own model to show how they are right… they just say that everyone is wrong.
Not a compelling argument.
ok so that’s wrong.
the article references a study that is linked, and full of data
if you dispute it (you never adequately answered if you do), please say where
otherwise you remain open to their results rather than dismissing them out of hand
like all the cool kids do, i know
edit: link back to article: https://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/
Yes… I read the study.
I have even posted snippets from it.
the data that it uses is to show that the data can’t be trusted.
They do not employ and methodology of their own to show why they are correct, just how everyone else is wrong.
Other than that… there is nothing to dispute.
they do so indeed describe their methodology, and premise
you dismiss it out of hand. of course
you don’t dispute, you dismiss, and deny.
I’ve perused the article. There is no way any of you have read all of the links. It’s just a smear of internet links and a hodgepodge of ideas. It has no relationship to a scholarly article. If this is your standard for scholarly research, you have not been around many reports of scientific research. Naturally, your are welcome to your opinion. In addition, you have a habit of asking questions that no poster here is qualified to answer, including you. This is as disingenuous way of conducting a discussion as I can imagine.
if it’s so “hodgepodge” then you should easily be able to dispute their premise and results but of course, nothing.
care to be specific?
i bet you support AOC’s position tho
Sorry. I don’t know what AOC’s position is. But I’d be happy to link you any number of thousands of articles on the nature of climate change. Maybe you can dispute all of those. That’s your MO, thinking dude, and it’s disingenuous.
yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
On the contrary, people who misrepresent others and claim they are thinking for themselves. As do you. Epic fail.
thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe:Yeah. Not what is going on here at all.
There is a ton of evidence and decades worth of research that show that there is a warming trend. Even more research shows that it is caused by humans.
Linking to one non published, non peer reviewed white paper on daily caller doesn’t erase that.
theres well over a ton of hysteria, scare mongering, wrong models and wrong predictions and decades of politics involved too.
good reasons to consider other scientific data
It isn’t scientific data that they are bring to you, but a rejection of how everyone models this.
They don’t offer their own model to show how they are right… they just say that everyone is wrong.
Not a compelling argument.
ok so that’s wrong.
the article references a study that is linked, and full of data
if you dispute it (you never adequately answered if you do), please say where
otherwise you remain open to their results rather than dismissing them out of hand
like all the cool kids do, i know
edit: link back to article: https://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/
Yes… I read the study.
I have even posted snippets from it.
the data that it uses is to show that the data can’t be trusted.
They do not employ and methodology of their own to show why they are correct, just how everyone else is wrong.
Other than that… there is nothing to dispute.
they do so indeed describe their methodology, and premise
you dismiss it out of hand. of course
you don’t dispute, you dismiss, and deny.
I’ve perused the article. There is no way any of you have read all of the links. It’s just a smear of internet links and a hodgepodge of ideas. It has no relationship to a scholarly article. If this is your standard for scholarly research, you have not been around many reports of scientific research. Naturally, your are welcome to your opinion. In addition, you have a habit of asking questions that no poster here is qualified to answer, including you. This is as disingenuous way of conducting a discussion as I can imagine.
if it’s so “hodgepodge” then you should easily be able to dispute their premise and results but of course, nothing.
care to be specific?
i bet you support AOC’s position tho
Sorry. I don’t know what AOC’s position is. But I’d be happy to link you any number of thousands of articles on the nature of climate change. Maybe you can dispute all of those. That’s your MO, thinking dude, and it’s disingenuous.
yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
On the contrary, people who misrepresent others and claim they are thinking for themselves. As do you. Epic fail.
no one was “misrepresented”
how desperate
BS.
In 1988, some US planes from WWII were found buried under 260 feet of ice, which had accumulated over 46 years.
World War II Planes Found in Greenland In Ice 260 Feet Deep
AP
Published: August 04, 1988
SIGN IN TO E-MAILSix American fighter planes and two bombers that crash-landed in Greenland in World War II have been found 46 years later buried under 260 feet of ice, searchers said today.
A group from Atlanta said it found what became known as the ”lost squad-ron” last month and plans to tunnel into the ice and lside the eight air-planes to the surface.
Richard Taylor, one of the leaders of the successful expedition, said today that he and another leader, Pat Epps, were ”going to fly two of them off the ice.”
The other planes will be dismantled and returned to the United States for restoration, he said. Some will be sold to pay for the expedition.
”We have a meeting tomorrow with a contractor from Seattle who is accustomed to doing Arctic work,” Mr. Taylor said.
The saga of the flights began July 15, 1942, as the two B-17 bombers escorted six P-38 fighters from greenland to Reykjavik, Iceland. They ran into bad weather. A German submarine jammed their communications with Reykjavik, and the planes low on fuel and unable to find their destination, returned to Greenland, where they belly-landed on the ice about 10 miles inland.
World War II Planes Found in Greenland In Ice 260 Feet Deep – New York Times
There’s more than 260’ increase since WWII.
Arctic Sea Ice Volume Increasing For 12 Years | Real Climate Science
Hmm, I looked into this…
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD410.html
The airplanes landed near the shore of Greenland, where snow accumulation is rapid, at about 2 m per year. Allowing for some compaction due to the weight of the snow, that accounts for the depth of snow under which they are buried. The planes are also on an active glacier and have moved about 2 km since landing.
A little context on this.
what everyone else has accepted as happening.
And there you have it.
amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe:Yeah. Not what is going on here at all.
There is a ton of evidence and decades worth of research that show that there is a warming trend. Even more research shows that it is caused by humans.
Linking to one non published, non peer reviewed white paper on daily caller doesn’t erase that.
theres well over a ton of hysteria, scare mongering, wrong models and wrong predictions and decades of politics involved too.
good reasons to consider other scientific data
It isn’t scientific data that they are bring to you, but a rejection of how everyone models this.
They don’t offer their own model to show how they are right… they just say that everyone is wrong.
Not a compelling argument.
ok so that’s wrong.
the article references a study that is linked, and full of data
if you dispute it (you never adequately answered if you do), please say where
otherwise you remain open to their results rather than dismissing them out of hand
like all the cool kids do, i know
edit: link back to article: https://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/
Yes… I read the study.
I have even posted snippets from it.
the data that it uses is to show that the data can’t be trusted.
They do not employ and methodology of their own to show why they are correct, just how everyone else is wrong.
Other than that… there is nothing to dispute.
they do so indeed describe their methodology, and premise
you dismiss it out of hand. of course
you don’t dispute, you dismiss, and deny.
I’ve perused the article. There is no way any of you have read all of the links. It’s just a smear of internet links and a hodgepodge of ideas. It has no relationship to a scholarly article. If this is your standard for scholarly research, you have not been around many reports of scientific research. Naturally, your are welcome to your opinion. In addition, you have a habit of asking questions that no poster here is qualified to answer, including you. This is as disingenuous way of conducting a discussion as I can imagine.
if it’s so “hodgepodge” then you should easily be able to dispute their premise and results but of course, nothing.
care to be specific?
i bet you support AOC’s position tho
Sorry. I don’t know what AOC’s position is. But I’d be happy to link you any number of thousands of articles on the nature of climate change. Maybe you can dispute all of those. That’s your MO, thinking dude, and it’s disingenuous.
yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
On the contrary, people who misrepresent others and claim they are thinking for themselves. As do you. Epic fail.
no one was “misrepresented”
how desperate
Clearly you cannot defend one internet rant against the myriad of evidence to the contrary. Here is my challenge: I’ll link an article related to climate change . . . my pick. And you attempt to dispute it.
amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe:Yeah. Not what is going on here at all.
There is a ton of evidence and decades worth of research that show that there is a warming trend. Even more research shows that it is caused by humans.
Linking to one non published, non peer reviewed white paper on daily caller doesn’t erase that.
theres well over a ton of hysteria, scare mongering, wrong models and wrong predictions and decades of politics involved too.
good reasons to consider other scientific data
It isn’t scientific data that they are bring to you, but a rejection of how everyone models this.
They don’t offer their own model to show how they are right… they just say that everyone is wrong.
Not a compelling argument.
ok so that’s wrong.
the article references a study that is linked, and full of data
if you dispute it (you never adequately answered if you do), please say where
otherwise you remain open to their results rather than dismissing them out of hand
like all the cool kids do, i know
edit: link back to article: https://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/
Yes… I read the study.
I have even posted snippets from it.
the data that it uses is to show that the data can’t be trusted.
They do not employ and methodology of their own to show why they are correct, just how everyone else is wrong.
Other than that… there is nothing to dispute.
they do so indeed describe their methodology, and premise
you dismiss it out of hand. of course
you don’t dispute, you dismiss, and deny.
I’ve perused the article. There is no way any of you have read all of the links. It’s just a smear of internet links and a hodgepodge of ideas. It has no relationship to a scholarly article. If this is your standard for scholarly research, you have not been around many reports of scientific research. Naturally, your are welcome to your opinion. In addition, you have a habit of asking questions that no poster here is qualified to answer, including you. This is as disingenuous way of conducting a discussion as I can imagine.
if it’s so “hodgepodge” then you should easily be able to dispute their premise and results but of course, nothing.
care to be specific?
i bet you support AOC’s position tho
Sorry. I don’t know what AOC’s position is. But I’d be happy to link you any number of thousands of articles on the nature of climate change. Maybe you can dispute all of those. That’s your MO, thinking dude, and it’s disingenuous.
yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
On the contrary, people who misrepresent others and claim they are thinking for themselves. As do you. Epic fail.
no one was “misrepresented”
how desperate
And by the way, what has this to do with the “left.” I have not politicized any of my comments in this thread, but you have inferred something about the “left.” Previously, you inferred something about my supporting AOC’s position, of which I have never commented upon. I’d say that is pressing the envelope on misrepresentation. Or do you just say those things for, I don’t know, some purpose?
thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: amadeus: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe: thinkingman: Jezcoe:Yeah. Not what is going on here at all.
There is a ton of evidence and decades worth of research that show that there is a warming trend. Even more research shows that it is caused by humans.
Linking to one non published, non peer reviewed white paper on daily caller doesn’t erase that.
theres well over a ton of hysteria, scare mongering, wrong models and wrong predictions and decades of politics involved too.
good reasons to consider other scientific data
It isn’t scientific data that they are bring to you, but a rejection of how everyone models this.
They don’t offer their own model to show how they are right… they just say that everyone is wrong.
Not a compelling argument.
ok so that’s wrong.
the article references a study that is linked, and full of data
if you dispute it (you never adequately answered if you do), please say where
otherwise you remain open to their results rather than dismissing them out of hand
like all the cool kids do, i know
edit: link back to article: https://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/
Yes… I read the study.
I have even posted snippets from it.
the data that it uses is to show that the data can’t be trusted.
They do not employ and methodology of their own to show why they are correct, just how everyone else is wrong.
Other than that… there is nothing to dispute.
they do so indeed describe their methodology, and premise
you dismiss it out of hand. of course
you don’t dispute, you dismiss, and deny.
I’ve perused the article. There is no way any of you have read all of the links. It’s just a smear of internet links and a hodgepodge of ideas. It has no relationship to a scholarly article. If this is your standard for scholarly research, you have not been around many reports of scientific research. Naturally, your are welcome to your opinion. In addition, you have a habit of asking questions that no poster here is qualified to answer, including you. This is as disingenuous way of conducting a discussion as I can imagine.
if it’s so “hodgepodge” then you should easily be able to dispute their premise and results but of course, nothing.
care to be specific?
i bet you support AOC’s position tho
Sorry. I don’t know what AOC’s position is. But I’d be happy to link you any number of thousands of articles on the nature of climate change. Maybe you can dispute all of those. That’s your MO, thinking dude, and it’s disingenuous.
yeah the left’s worst enemy - people who think for themselves
On the contrary, people who misrepresent others and claim they are thinking for themselves. As do you. Epic fail.
no one was “misrepresented”
how desperate
Clearly you cannot defend one internet rant against the myriad of evidence to the contrary. Here is my challenge: I’ll link an article related to climate change . . . my pick. And you attempt to dispute it.
but you wont mine
that desperate to get the ball huh? lol
less than 11.5 yrs left
time’s a wasting…
Start with the NASA SABR study.
Far less heat trapped than computer models predicted.
Trying to think of a bright side, I guess I won’t have to pay for college for my four year old daughter.
India is the next beast to rise with China the two together are close to 40% of the world population and their just getting started growing.
This is why the Paris accord is worthless.
Under the Paris climate agreement, India has set a target to reduce the emissions intensity of its economy by over 30%, compared with 2005 levels, by 2030.
But the country has continued building new coal plants, and oil imports are only rising as its growing population becomes more prosperous.
Start with the NASA SABR study.
You know how the criticism is leveled against research scientists and how they are all in it for the grant money?
Roy Spencer is an Intelligent Design proponent on the payroll of the Heartland Institute.
That Journal that the paper is published in… the editor in chief resigned because of it.
So… not a great look.
Read the SABR report.
WildRose:And? Ice melted in the 40’s too.
Need we go back to the WWII aircraft that landed in the arctic that are now buried under as much as 90’ of now and ice or more?
So what if the edges are melting the total ice volume is still growing.
The Arctic Sea Ice minimum was lower in the middle of the 20th Century than it is now?
That’s hard to say since the world was embroiled in a war and we lacked satellites to be able to observe it anyway. But in 1940-42, the wooden hulled Canadian RCMP ship St. Roch was the first ship to transit the NW Passage from west to east and in 1944 made the return trip (e to w) through the northern route becoming the first ship to do so in a single season. Then in 1950, it became the first ship to circumnavigate North America. Having personally transited the NW Passage in 1969, I can say without question that that wooden ship could not have accomplished that if the ice conditions were not lighter than what we encountered.
Clearly we need stop using any fossil fuel in the US to compensate for all of the coal plants, existing and coming on line, in Asia.
AOC Derangement Syndrome (AOCDS)
I was reading this thread thinking that too and then I saw your post.
Guvnah: Jezcoe:As posted before, the increase in Atmospheric CO2 can be directly linked with humans taking carbon out of the ground and burning it.
The increase in atmospheric CO2 hasn’t been solely attributed to human activity.
Nor has it been concretely linked to the rise in temperatures.
The changing ratio of carbon 13 / carbon 12 is consistent with people taking carbon out of the ground and burning it.
The decrease of atmospheric oxygen ( since it is taken up when making CO2) is consistent with the rate that humans are taking carbon out of the ground and burning it.
At best, man is accountable for about 3-4% of the incremental CO2 in the atmosphere. And while increasing CO2 does create a positive feedback for warming, no definitive study has been done showing that the warming since the mid nineteenth century has been caused by the increase in CO2. Virtually every published study on global warming/climate change couches their conclusions with words like “if,” “may,” “could,” and “might.” There is no study that says “has,” “does,” “is,” and “will.” It is all scientific speculation, because they haven’t got any better answer.
Histrionics touted as science.
Okay… you do you.
Is that the witty come back phrase of the week? I’m seeing that from you a lot lately.