94% of COVID deaths had underlying medical conditions

[LucyLou]

@WuWei

Astonishingly, 80,000 people a year died of diabetes before COVID.

647,000 from heart disease before COVID

33,654 from car accidents before COVID

Almost 3 million per year from all causes before COVID. 2.8 million. So 200k deaths with COVID is a rounding.

Everything will kill you. Pick something fun.

Fascinating.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

double? thats funny. no they don’t

445M is not double 360M

no wonder you don’t get it… math… bad.

parts of the eu were not hit, not because of anything they did, just didn’t get there. Parts of the US haven’t been hit, same reason.

That’s what I get for going off of memory.

The point still stands.

The EU has a larger population and is having a better response overall.

Here is the comparison of the epidemiological curve.

Here is a comparison of total deaths

It is crystal clear who is failing here.

[NebraskaFootball]

@Jezcoe

@Ben_Natuf

double? thats funny. no they don’t

445M is not double 360M

no wonder you don’t get it… math… bad.

parts of the eu were not hit, not because of anything they did, just didn’t get there. Parts of the US haven’t been hit, same reason.

That’s what I get for going off of memory.

The point still stands.

The EU has a larger population and is having a better response overall.

Here is the comparison of the epidemiological curve.

Here is a comparison of total deaths

It is crystal clear who is failing here.

Holy crap. If that is not a stark visual of our failures then I don’t know what is…

Also, the EU as of 2019 has 447,512,041 while the United States has 328,239,523. I’m not sure where 445M and 360M came from.

World Bank Open Data

[Ben_Natuf]

aqgain, you fail to take into account the size of this nation. europe all got hit at the same time, asia the same. do you notice something? the curves, even though they both reacted differently at and different times after initial infections… are the same. at any place in the us where its hit, the curves are essentially the same, regardless of action. for us it continues, because the local curves are applied nationally, but they are not happening at the same time, they are happening sort of regionally. they all have one thing in common, the curves are essentially the same. its a virus, the curve is its signature. what we can control is the case death rate, and in that, we are among the best.

[WuWei]

Illegals.

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

@JayJay

@Ben_Natuf

Look, I know the leftist master demand you push the ■■■■■■■■ narrative, its okay. Doesn’t change medical science. If you die of low blood sugar, thats what you die of. The bear, like covid, would have contributed to it, and without that contribution death would not have occurred. why is being a contributing factor without which death would not have occurred not enough?.. oh wait, i know. the narrative!

It’s not a “narrative”.

Statistics show we have had excess mortality this year…over 200,000 above the five year average.

Science and statistics show that people with underlying conditions can survive with those underlying conditions for many years.

If these people wouldn’t have died otherwise without the presence of COVID, then COVID killed them.

Their underlying condition may have made them more susceptible to COVID, but COVID killed them.

Just like if a bear was chasing us, and I was faster than you and he mauled you, would you put the CoD down as the fact that you were a slow runner?

apparently you would, because that’s what you’re doing. man, you really suck at analogies.

by the way… don’t run from bears. it’ll get you killed.

Interesting deflection.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

aqgain, you fail to take into account the size of this nation. europe all got hit at the same time, asia the same. do you notice something? the curves, even though they both reacted differently at and different times after initial infections… are the same. at any place in the us where its hit, the curves are essentially the same, regardless of action. for us it continues, because the local curves are applied nationally, but they are not happening at the same time, they are happening sort of regionally. they all have one thing in common, the curves are essentially the same. its a virus, the curve is its signature. what we can control is the case death rate, and in that, we are among the best.

This makes no sense.

I mean… it makes sense if one wants to make excuses for our country’s failure… but past that it makes no sense.

[Ben_Natuf]

it makes no sense because your narrative won’t allow logic to intercede.

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

it makes no sense because your narrative won’t allow logic to intercede.

No… it makes no sense because it is nonsensical.

After what happened in NYC, the country knew what could happen.

There was a complete failure to stop the spread of the virus and to prepare for what could be seen coming.

The fatalism that there is nothing that can be done to stop the spread is a disease unto itself and it only exists in one Western country.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

There was a complete failure to stop the spread of the virus and to prepare for what could be seen coming.

How when NYers fleeing lock down were spreading it.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

The fatalism that there is nothing that can be done to stop the spread is a disease unto itself and it only exists in one Western country.

You cannot stop the spread of a respiratory virus.

Nowhere has it been stopped.

[WuWei]

Just today in Europe so far:
New cases

Spain -8,581
England - 1,508
Germany - 892
France - 7,017
Italy - 1,326

Where exactly has it been stopped?

[Ben_Natuf]

the idea that we can stop a virus is nonsense. we can slow its spread, thats all. over time the same number of people will be infected and the same number will die. slowing the spread is only good if we get a vaccine before it runs its course. if not, all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. the curve is the same wherever it hits. it is the virus signature curve. it doesn’t change. taking the curve for ny and saying… this is the national curve is nonsense. the curve matters where it hits, not where it doesn’t.

[Ben_Natuf]

and they are only testing symptomatic cases

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

over time the same number of people will be infected and the same number will die.

This is probably false.

See also: everywhere else.

[Camp]

A very important distinction.

[Ben_Natuf]

nope, this is entirely true.

according to sneaky’s numbers, there were 20K new cases in just 5 european countries today. most of whom are only testing symptomatic people. no-one has “defeated” the virus.

the mitigation efforts were never supposed to “defeat” the virus, they can’t. They were supposed to slow the spread so the medical systems could handle the case load. it has been known from the beginning that over time, without a vaccine, the end result would be no different.

[sikofit]

@Ben_Natuf

nope, this is entirely true.

according to sneaky’s numbers, there were 20K new cases in just 5 european countries today. most of whom are only testing symptomatic people. no-one has “defeated” the virus.

the mitigation efforts were never supposed to “defeat” the virus, they can’t. They were supposed to slow the spread so the medical systems could handle the case load. it has been known from the beginning that over time, without a vaccine, the end result would be no different.

And Europe is doing a whole lot better in that regard with less than half the number of new cases per capita

[JimmyC]

So you are not countng EU countries that you think were not hit, but you are including the states that were not hit when you make your comparison of the US to the EU? That’s going to skew your comparison.

[sikofit]

@JimmyC

So you are not countng EU countries that you think were not hit, but you are including the states that were not hit when you make your comparison of the US to the EU? That’s going to skew your comparison.

Our response doesnt look good even when he skews the data. Those 5 countries have a population of312 million with 18.5k new cases yesterday. The US has a population of 326 million with 44.5k new cases