Zelensky sparks outrage in Greece

Nazis…

“Radio transmissions in which Russian soldiers appear to talk among themselves about carrying out premeditated civilian killings in Ukraine have been intercepted by Germany’s foreign intelligence service, a source close to the findings has said.”

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Nazis?

People worldwide have been shocked by gruesome images of corpses strewn in the streets of Bucha, Ukraine, as Russian forces pulled back in recent days, but foreign policy experts say the brutal tactics the Kremlin is using are nothing new.

“It is absolutely not an accident that they are fighting this way,” Rebekah Koffler, a former Defense Intelligence Agency officer and author of “Putin’s Playbook: Russia’s Secret Plan to Defeat America,” told Fox News Digital.

“This is 100% intentional. It’s not a lack of military discipline.”

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Washington and London are clearly winning the propaganda war, at least in the west.

Large numbers of civilians have died in Ukraine. There is no doubt about that.

Who is responsible and whether the killings are accidental or intentional are not nearly as clear.

Really? Not clear at all?

Wow…

Yes, we have a series a fake news coming out of Ukraine to push narratives from Washington and Kiev. The ghost of Kiev and the Snake Island massacre are two examples of false narratives.

Here is an alternative analysis of what went on in Bucha, which suggests that Ukrainian forces killed those who had collaborated with the Russians and then used the bodies to create a false flag. The Ukrainian forces reentered the town on March 30 with no reports about the alleged massacre. The video only appeared days later.

Given the blizzard of propaganda and misinformation, there is no way to say for sure what really happened.

A quick Whois search shows that that website was created on March 1 2022.

The registrar URL is www. Reg.ru.

The Registrar is REGISTRAR OF DOMAIN NAMES REG.RU LLC

So don’t be surprised if I am unimpressed with that evidence.

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If you can’t trust the analysts associated with the Pentagon and the George Bush Center for Intelligence, who can you trust?

Mark Milley had previously called a “righteous strike” on the compound on August 29. The investigation released Friday found that all of those killed in the residential compound were civilians.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/kabul-drone-strike-us-military-intl-hnk/index.html

I mean it’s called war on fakes…… lol

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I know you only trust information approved by the George Bush Center for Intelligence.

The US and UK have a long history of hiding the true nature of massacres for political reasons. Consider the Soviet massacre of Polish military officers in 1940:

Unofficial or classified UK documents concluded Soviet guilt was a “near certainty”, but the alliance with the Soviets was deemed to be more important than moral issues; thus the official version supported the Soviets, up to censoring any contradictory accounts.
Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

Western governments censored the truth and blamed the massacre on the Germans, and the details were disputed for decades. Soviet responsibility for the massacre was only confirmed after Soviet archives were opened in the 1990s.

I expect that similar things are going on today in Ukraine.

Dude… it is obvious what the website is.

Get better sourcing.

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Yes my guess is that the Ukrainians have been responsible for indiscriminately bombing their own civilians, the mass executions, rapes and torture that have been documented. Seems reasonable.

I have it on good authority that Ukraine actually invaded itself.

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As a ploy to appear sympathetic to the West so that Zelensky could marshal the forces of Naziism!! Or something something…

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Obviously you are not familiar with the brutality of the Russian Civil War or the Second World War.

I see no reason why Azov and its allies would not kill anyone they suspect of collaborating with the Russians. They honor the UPA who was responsible for killing tens of thousands of civilians.

They recently executed a Ukrainian negotiator based on accusations of spying.

Why would they do less for an average civilian who cooperated with Russian forces?

hahahaha :skull:

How many of the ones that are laying on the roads and in mass graves were collaborators

You are jumping into a gross territory with both feet

Apparently the German word is Putinversteher

There are other responses i had for that assertion of @Bill.in.PA but i like it here…

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The US has a history of exaggerating civilian casualties to justify military actions.

NATO claimed that it bombed Libya for humanitarian reasons.

Many of the same people who were wrong about Libya and Kosovo are pushing western narratives about Ukraine.