Your Move, Google

mkh · 2018-05-19T02:25:16.914Z

Guns are also the real issue. There are multiple issues to address.

Gaius · 2018-05-19T03:52:24.328Z

EVERY kid is razzed, teased, tested, gossiped about, or in some way bullied.

Guvnah · 2018-05-19T17:43:21.319Z

Gaius:

EVERY kid is razzed, teased, tested, gossiped about, or in some way bullied.

This is a key point. And kids have always been razzed, bullied, etc., since before our great grandparents were born.

What we have is a culture that has dropped a notch or two in its ability to handle conflict, and the extremes have become more extreme – to the point that a gun is the answer for an increasing number of kids. (And if not a gun, then some other means of inflicting harm.)

Guvnah · 2018-05-19T17:45:08.689Z

And it’s presumptuous to start with Google as an answer to this.

Maybe Google can be one point of light in 1000 points of light, but I wouldn’t start there.

Gaius · 2018-05-19T17:58:24.343Z

Guvnah:

Gaius:

EVERY kid is razzed, teased, tested, gossiped about, or in some way bullied.

This is a key point. And kids have always been razzed, bullied, etc., since before our great grandparents were born.

What we have is a culture that has dropped a notch or two in its ability to handle conflict, and the extremes have become more extreme – to the point that a gun is the answer for an increasing number of kids. (And if not a gun, then some other means of inflicting harm.)

Yeah if you pick on a gang banger or Al Capone they might shoot you. That’s what bad people do.

It’s not that “picking on” has become more prevalent, and probably not that people are becoming more touchy-feely sensitive to being “picked on.”

Bad, rotten immoral people have always used violence to respond to wrongs and perceived wrongs done to them.

Society has more bad people today. Pretending they are sick doesn’t make them well.

Guvnah · 2018-05-19T18:03:39.791Z

Gaius:

Bad, rotten immoral people have always used violence to respond to wrongs and perceived wrongs done to them.

Society has more bad people today.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

John Adams

When people abandon the responsibilities that come with the rights out Constitution protects, the foundation of the Constitution crumbles. For example: The right to bear firearms is going to evaporate because too many are immoral in their use of firearms.

Gaius · 2018-05-19T18:14:47.000Z

Nice post and perhaps worthy of taking up, tho I wasn’t trying to get philosophical.

My intent was to point out that
being a bully = having a bullying disorder
being a substance abuser = having a substance abuse disorder.

Changing the names around doesn’t mean we should ‘excuse’ otherwise bad behavior the way we should among among Alzheimer’s patients, Down’s patients etc…

ToT · 2018-05-19T18:16:25.826Z

It’s based on completely false information. There are literally millions of gun videos on youtube right now.

That’s enough right there.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-05-19T18:39:06.878Z

ToT:

It’s based on completely false information. There are literally millions of gun videos on youtube right now.

That’s enough right there.

right but if gun videos are bad, why is it stupid to suggest removing videos that show “victory” when a bullied kid uses violence to get revenge ?

please… no stream of consciousness replies.

Gaius · 2018-05-19T18:53:45.807Z

ouch
10 chars

MidwestIndy · 2018-05-19T20:19:32.245Z

I got bullied several times when I was much younger. Then I got a little older and punched a few of them in their mouths. Still never ever had the thought of coming to school and slaughtering a bunch of innocent people.

This is all about the state of mental health in this country and we’ve done nothing but ignore it, make excuses, and cut funding for all sorts of mental health clincs, therapy, programs, hospitals, it runs the gamut. It isn’t going to get better till we start making a concerted effort to expand these areas.

floydefisher · 2018-05-22T02:59:55.139Z

Well, that is great that you later on in life grew strong enough to easily handle your bullies.

For many people that is not an option. Bad example, but look at George Zimmerman. He tried learning martial arts, and after somewhere between 6 and 12 months of trying was told by the school he would never learn it, and was kicked out. It’s probably what started him carrying a gun in the first place.

What the Texas shooter did was despicable, and I do hope he gets the max, but let’s think about this from other angles a minute. If you’re bullied, and unlike your hero on screen you know there is zero hope of ever getting payback with your fists, what is next? A weapon of some sort, like a gun?

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-22T04:00:51.770Z

What would you do to address bullying?

adroit · 2018-05-22T04:02:22.847Z

Guvnah:

Gaius:

EVERY kid is razzed, teased, tested, gossiped about, or in some way bullied.

This is a key point. And kids have always been razzed, bullied, etc., since before our great grandparents were born.

What we have is a culture that has dropped a notch or two in its ability to handle conflict, and the extremes have become more extreme – to the point that a gun is the answer for an increasing number of kids. (And if not a gun, then some other means of inflicting harm.)

Why do you think other developed nations don’t the same problem, or at least anywhere near the scale that we do?

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-22T04:03:49.609Z

Why does America have such an issue with teen violence when other developed nations don’t

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-22T04:04:37.464Z

America has always had a culture that handles conflict with violence.

Gaius · 2018-05-22T04:09:10.799Z

Do we?

We don’t have football hooligans, or the English punk rowdies.
When I was young and living in Europe (80s) street violence was pretty common there especially at peace demonstrations.

But we DO have school shootings and a culture of street gangs.

Honestly I’ve never considered teen violence to be more prevelant than in Europe. I could be wrong though.

CanadianJudo · 2018-05-22T04:11:43.772Z

I can only speak for Canada bullying was never a major issue here at lest when I was growing up, outside of hockey.

Gaius · 2018-05-22T04:14:15.988Z

Well bullying can be defined broadly or narrowly. If it includes routine teasing and spitball it’s ubiquitous here in the middle grades, tends to settle out in HS.

reflechissez · 2018-05-22T04:17:20.982Z

Gaius:

Honestly I’ve never considered teen violence to be more prevelant than in Europe. I could be wrong though.

A little research could help.