You would think that after today, dem leaders would say it's time to stop

[Guilds]

@Oryx

From what I’ve seen so far, the comparisons to Ashli Babbitt are valid. Babbitt and Good both put themselves in harm’s way in places they shouldn’t have been, and an officer with a deadly weapon panicked and killed them.

Being on a public road, is the same as breaking into the Capitol?

[Oryx]

@Guilds

Being on a public road, is the same as breaking into the Capitol?

She wasn’t just “on a public road” minding her own business. You know that.

[SixFoot]

Awesome things are happening, without any thought to the bitter losers in the back, and it hurts.

[Guilds]

@Oryx

She wasn’t just “on a public road” minding her own business. You know that.

Was she breaking the law?

[SixFoot]

@Optrader

I should feel sorry for them rather than scorn them for their stupidity.

No you shouldn’t. These are grown-ass, supposedly educated people.

[Optrader]

@Oryx

@Optrader

I get that. But the fact is that she was completely stopped. She backed up and put her car in drive and then drove forward with the officer directly in front of her car. What happens on slick roads when your tires start spinning and they bite suddenly into dry pavement? What if the officer had slipped when he was dodging her and fell in front of her car? She was 100% to blame whether she was trying to actually kill the officer or trying to drive away and escape.

It’s just amazing that Libs falsely impeached Trump for inciting a riot with a rally in which he ended by calling for his supporters to march peacefully and patriotically and then stupidly pretending that their words and actions aren’t inciting people to actual violence.

Now someone has been killed and still Libs are calling for more violence against law enforcement officers…

I’m not defending Good or the shooter, I’m just pointing out that spinning tires aren’t evidence she was trying to hit him. Mario Andretti couldn’t drive in Minnesota this week without spinning his tires. My 80-year-old mother has been trapped inside for days because ice (frozen water, not ICE) is covering the region, and I have a million branches to pick up on my property that have broken off under the weight.

You aren’t a politician who has been calling for violence against law enforcement or one on TV calling that officer a murderer. Do you not understand the implications of what these politicians are doing? They are inciting people to violence to the point of people getting killed. These officers are upholding existing law that was passed by Congress and Lib politicians are justifying them being killed and making heroes and martyrs out of those who try. The politicians goals of hindering Trump succeed but only the citizens are being killed or arrested.

Back to the Future Think McFly Think

[SixFoot]

@Oryx

@Optrader

You can see the woman backed up, then accelerated fast enough to spin her tires with the officer in front of the car.

The spinning tires are not compelling evidence of anything other than icy roads. The area had freezing rain Monday and Tuesday that caused late starts at schools and businesses across the region. It’s the only reason I wasn’t in the city yesterday.

MN weather: Slick morning on Twin Cities roads | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul

Had those tires not spun out, that agent may very well have had a bad day.

[Rodeo]

@SixFoot

@Optrader

I should feel sorry for them rather than scorn them for their stupidity.

No you shouldn’t. These are grown-ass, supposedly educated people.

100% agree

[Rodeo]

@Optrader

You aren’t a politician who has been calling for violence against law enforcement or one on TV calling for hat officer a murderer. Do you not understand the implications of what these politicians are doing? They are inciting people to violence to the point of people getting killed. These officers are upholding existing law that was passed by Congress and Lib politicians are justifying them being killed and making heroes and martyrs out of those who try. The politicians goals of hindering Trump succeed but only the citizens are being killed or arrested.

Brilliant and 100% correct

[Guvnah]

@Guilds

Being on a public road, is the same as breaking into the Capitol?

You’re likely to dismiss any response to this…

The point is not the physical location where the two events happened. The point is the context of what happened, wherein a person inserted herself into harm’s way. Ms. Good inserted herself in the middle of a LEO operation – armed LEOs – and her behavior raised enough panic in an armed LEO to shoot in self defense.

I’ve always seen the Babbitt shooting in the same way. If it were just a matter of someone being in that building, hundreds of people would have (should have) gotten shot. Babbitt being the first to breach the door raised enough panic in the LEO to shoot.

[toreyj01]

You heard wrong. She lived there. She had 3 kids, two of which lived with her ex-husband. She had a 6 year old that she was dropping off at a nearby school. She has never, according to her ex, ever been political or attended any kind of rally. She was also a Christian and a poet. Her partner was more interested in politics, she was simply driving the kiddo to school.

[DougBH]

@Guilds

Being on a public road, is the same as breaking into the Capitol?

Being in our public Capitol is the same as obstructing law enforcement operations?

[toreyj01]

And as I said in the ICE thread, it is against DHS policy for an agent to step in front of a moving car. Shooting the driver can injure fellow agents or bystanders.

It is against the general use-of-force policies for a federal agent, including those under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), to intentionally step in front of a moving vehicle, except in extreme circumstances where the agent or others face an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury, and there are no reasonable alternatives available [1].
Federal law enforcement policies, such as those governing Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), classify a moving vehicle as a “deadly weapon” when it is being used as such by a subject [1]. Generally, agents are explicitly directed to move out of the path of an approaching vehicle and not to place themselves in a position where a vehicle can be used as a weapon against them [1].

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/PERFReport.pdf#:~:text=First%2C%20officers/agents%20should%20be%20prohibited%20from%20shooting,out%20of%20the%20way%20of%20moving%20vehicles.

He was to the rear and passenger side of the car when she started to back up and went to the front of the vehicle by the time she went into Drive, against DHS policy. And this is an agent who has already been dragged by another car, so I suppose he didn’t learn very much from experience.

[Rodeo]

Meanwhile that brain dead embarrassment of a governor in Minnesota has no clue when to shut up.

“Republican lawmakers are urging President Donald Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act against Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after the Democrat warned he could deploy the National Guard in response to federal immigration enforcement actions in his state.

“Invoke the Insurrection Act. Arrest Tim Walz,” Rep. Mary Miller, R-Ill., said in a post to X on Wednesday evening.

Miller’s calls to apply the law, which gives the president powers to arrest suspects obstructing federal law enforcement, follow Walz’s suggestion that he might deploy the National Guard to push back on President Donald Trump’s use of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

GOP lawmakers call on Trump to arrest Walz after governor warns of National...

[SixFoot]

[conan]

@Oryx

She wasn’t just “on a public road” minding her own business. You know that.

Just stop…you’re making to much sense for “some” people to process.

[Piper]

@Guvnah

I’ve always seen the Babbitt shooting in the same way. If it were just a matter of someone being in that building, hundreds of people would have (should have) gotten shot. Babbitt being the first to breach the door raised enough panic in the LEO to shoot.

The difference is, Babbitt wasn’t armed, the protestor used her car as a weapon. Cowardly protesters do that, IMO.

[DougBH]

Well, Walz using the national guard to stop ICE would certainly lead Trump to,at least nationalize the national guard…followed by some ObamaJudge saying he couldnt…followed by the Supreme Court doing whatever they feel like at the time.

[gooddad409]

@DougBH

In the same manner as the media talked about the “deadly Jan 6 riots”, will they start talking about the deadly anti ICE protests? Doubtful.

They are egging it on!

They will not stop.

[Piper]

@DougBH

Well, Walz using the national guard to stop ICE would certainly lead Trump to,at least nationalize the national guard…followed by some ObamaJudge saying he couldnt…followed by the Supreme Court doing whatever they feel like at the time.

Walz keeps digging a deeper hole.