Women sailors on submarines?

mikee · 2019-05-20T19:24:26.951Z

reflechissez:

Boys will be boys.

But men should be men.
I would hope that the fellas on our submarines were men and not boys.

Guvnah · 2019-05-20T19:45:19.473Z

Janet_Miller:

“Only about a list”.

So how does that tie in with “sex saturated culture”?

Maybe I wasn’t clear.

The sailors’ list is a lot like the lists in the sidebar click bait ads accompanying the article (or just about any new article.)

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-20T19:51:29.202Z

Guvnah:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Would you like to explain to us what you meant by it?

“Us” ??

Pick nits with someone else. And you know I don’t comply with your demands (even if you couch them in the form of “questions”.)

You could have just said you didn’t want to explain the actual sentence you typed.

Now, is abstinence the solution in the military just like it is in the abortion threads?

Guvnah · 2019-05-20T19:54:33.280Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

You could have just said you didn’t want to explain the actual sentence you typed.

But that’s not what I said… to you.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-20T19:57:01.146Z

Guvnah:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

You could have just said you didn’t want to explain the actual sentence you typed.

But that’s not what I said… to you.

Love the way you leave the abstinence part out.

Stuck?

SixFoot · 2019-05-20T20:03:28.620Z

Did the seamen complete their intended mission or did this stupid list get them pulled out to port?

Guvnah · 2019-05-20T20:08:14.818Z

SixFoot:

Did the seamen complete their intended mission or did this stupid list get them pulled out to port?

The articles I’ve seen on it don’t say. The reports are just concerned about offense.

Some sailors got kicked out. Article says that the guy who was in charge lost his job. But I didn’t pick up anything about the results of the mission. (Or if there was any particular mission under way.)

vaard · 2019-05-20T20:12:37.071Z

Interesting that abstinence is the only option to not have abortion…

But not an option for members of the military…

Somehow civilians are supposed to be more disciplined and have more accountability than membera of the military…

And pointing out such hypocrisy is considered trolling…

If anything, it does provide further evidence that those that refuse to acknowledge this duplicity should not be taken seriously…

SixFoot · 2019-05-20T20:13:48.828Z

If this impacted their mission, I hope they all burn under an Article 15.

If this didn’t impact their mission, I hope they toss everyone of those little ■■■■■■■ off that boat.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-20T20:18:32.761Z

vaard:

Interesting that abstinence is the only option to not have abortion…

But not an option for members of the military…

Somehow civilians are supposed to be more disciplined and have more accountability than membera of the military…

And pointing out such hypocrisy is considered trolling…

If anything, it does provide further evidence that those that refuse to acknowledge this duplicity should not be taken seriously…

Yeah, he is stuck. He didn’t realize that one sentence in the OP was gonna be so revealing.

Samm · 2019-05-20T20:52:02.320Z

Nemesis:

Doesn’t matter the situation put men and women together and sex will happen. Heck look at prisons, many men in prison will have a gay relationship even if they are not gay.

The need for sexual contact is hardwired into our very DNA and its ridiculous to expect humans to deny that.

You are absolutely right. And on the submarines, it’s not just men lusting for women.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-05-20T20:53:41.658Z

abstinence just went poof.

Guvnah · 2019-05-20T21:21:23.072Z

vaard:

Interesting that abstinence is the only option to not have abortion…

Nobody said that.

Nobody, nobody, NOBODY. (But you.)

biggestal99 · 2019-05-20T21:37:52.104Z

Janet_Miller:

IMO A majority of men & women in the workplace don’t conduct themselves in such a manner. And the small percentage who do probably would lack that sense of boundaries regardless of the culture

I work with women in a close environment on a daily basis.

It’s called personal integrity.

Don’t bother people.

You know the golden rule.

Allam

biggestal99 · 2019-05-20T21:40:35.440Z

Samm:

You are absolutely right. And on the submarines, it’s not just men lusting for women

Back in the day when I Was in top shape, a coworker groped me.

I told her no. Just stop. It’s real easy if you have personal integrity.

Allan

noSpaces · 2019-05-20T21:42:32.235Z

We’re talking about the Navy here. It’s not gay if you’re underway.

Samm · 2019-05-20T22:00:27.130Z

Janet_Miller:

“Only about a list”.

So how does that tie in with “sex saturated culture”?

Are the seamen not grown ups?

Any place I’ve ever been a new hire, the sexual harassment policy was clearly explained. Matter of fact, since the United States Armed Forces are a government employer, having worked myself for the V A, the policy regarding conduct that can be construed as sexual was so emphasized that a particular benefit that would have been of use—public transit vouchers—was not mentioned in the New Hire Orientation.

IMO A majority of men & women in the workplace don’t conduct themselves in such a manner. And the small percentage who do probably would lack that sense of boundaries regardless of the culture.

Yes, they are all grown ups. That is the problem. Sex is what grown up do.

A submarine is not just “a work place” it is a very confined space with a high density of people (much higher than in a typical office) where the crew works, lives, socializes, recreates, bathes, and sleeps in very close proximity to each other with very little privacy with no breaks for months on end. To expect young healthy males and females at the height of their hormonal years to act and behave like they are working 9-5 in a formal office setting is unrealistic at best.

Samm · 2019-05-20T22:02:15.403Z

mikee:

reflechissez:

Boys will be boys.

But men should be men.
I would hope that the fellas on our submarines were men and not boys.

What do you think men (and women) do?

Cynic · 2019-05-20T22:04:19.670Z

What happens in Das Boot stays in Das Boot.

mikee · 2019-05-20T22:06:17.941Z

Samm:

mikee:

reflechissez:

Boys will be boys.

But men should be men.
I would hope that the fellas on our submarines were men and not boys.

What do you think men (and women) do?

I think that men and women do what they do without making lists of desires and sharing them.
I also think that they do things at appropriate times and places.

My main point is that “boys will be boys” is no excuse for men acting juvenile.