Anything critical or derogatory said about her would have been labeled sexist or homophobic since she checks two boxes. If she was non-white it would also be racist.
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Oryx
2493
Based on your experience in the New Zealand navy. . . ?
Samm
2495
Not without power she didn’t. No power, no steerage.
Sknyluv
2497
So you beat everyone to the punch and claimed her hire was based on identity without any proof?
Oryx
2498
What’s the word for making unfounded assumptions about people based on their identity?
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DougBH
2499
Making an assumption because she is female or lesbian would be bias.
However, making an assumption if normal hiring and evaluation processes were ignored in favor of DEI preferences, might be reasonable, at least so far as to examine if this has created a systems problem. It would be on the level of reviewing to see if dumping historic safety checklists was creating a problem.
Oryx
2500
What evidence do we have that such processes were ignored?
DougBH
2501
I have none other than that I have read it as if a fact. I don’t research the basis for each story I read. Have you looked into the fact details? If so, let us know what you have found, please.
Oryx
2502
You “read it as a fact” that the captain of the boat was hired based on “DEI preferences”? Please share the link.
DougBH
2503
Just a source I found using a search engine, along with several others that claimed this. I am not otherwise familiar with them nor do I vouch for them. Note, my statement was “if” normal hiring practices were ignored, not that they were.
Again, since you seem concerned about this, have you looked into the facts?
Oryx
2504
That story provides zero evidence that she was hired because of her sexual orientation. It makes the claim with literally nothing to back it up. Like several people in this thread, the article makes assumptions based on identity. (What’s the word for that?)
Sure. Facts are easy to find, you just have to wade through the opinion pieces from “sources” such as DISNTR. (Check out their homepage, by the way, it’s hilarious.) Commander Gray spent 19 years in the British Royal Navy before joining New Zealand’s navy in 2022. Is 19 years enough experience in your opinion?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350442196/who-commander-yvonne-gray-captain-stricken-hmnzs-manawanui
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Jezcoe
2505
My favorite part of that website is the “Heresy of the Day” section.
Who knew that Egalitarianism was heresy?
Now I know.
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DougBH
2506
So did you check to see if there was a DEI program and if that was considered in her hiring?
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Oryx
2507
Yes, and I can find no evidence that she was hired for those reasons. Have you looked?
I think this tweet from some random Twitter poster sums up my thoughts nicely:
The characterisation of Yvonne Gray as a DEI hire is unfair. Her resume is solid. But this kind of reaction has been caused by DEI policies that now make any women/minority seen as inevitably a DEI hire rather than merit-based.
https://x.com/aniobrien/status/1843747536445862391
Sknyluv
2508
Women in positions of authority are diversity hires until proven otherwise.
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DougBH
2509
Why would I look? I made no claim one way or the other…only that if it were a DEI hire then it would not be bias to see if a DEI policy had any effect.
Oryx
2510
Neither did I, and yet you asked me to look. I have an open mind, but I’ve seen no evidence she was a DEI hire. 19 years of experience in the Royal Navy seems like a solid resume to me. Do you agree?
Sponsored by hiring quotas, affirmative action and DEI. Bravo.