Woke - Is The Pushback Beginning?

[Liberty323]

@Oryx

What’s your basis for that opinion?

Anything critical or derogatory said about her would have been labeled sexist or homophobic since she checks two boxes. If she was non-white it would also be racist.

[Oryx]

Based on your experience in the New Zealand navy. . . ?

[Oryx]

Did she?

[Samm]

@WuWei

She ran it up on the curb.

Not without power she didn’t. No power, no steerage.

[Liberty323]

Yes, of course.

[Sknyluv]

@Liberty323

@Oryx

What’s your basis for that opinion?

Anything critical or derogatory said about her would have been labeled sexist or homophobic since she checks two boxes. If she was non-white it would also be racist.

So you beat everyone to the punch and claimed her hire was based on identity without any proof?

[Oryx]

@Sknyluv

So you beat everyone to the punch and claimed her hire was based on identity without any proof?

What’s the word for making unfounded assumptions about people based on their identity?

[DougBH]

@Oryx

@Sknyluv

So you beat everyone to the punch and claimed her hire was based on identity without any proof?

What’s the word for making unfounded assumptions about people based on their identity?

Making an assumption because she is female or lesbian would be bias.
However, making an assumption if normal hiring and evaluation processes were ignored in favor of DEI preferences, might be reasonable, at least so far as to examine if this has created a systems problem. It would be on the level of reviewing to see if dumping historic safety checklists was creating a problem.

[Oryx]

@DougBH

However, making an assumption if normal hiring and evaluation processes were ignored in favor of DEI preferences, might be reasonable, at least so far as to examine if this has created a systems problem.

What evidence do we have that such processes were ignored?

[DougBH]

@Oryx

@DougBH

However, making an assumption if normal hiring and evaluation processes were ignored in favor of DEI preferences, might be reasonable, at least so far as to examine if this has created a systems problem.

What evidence do we have that such processes were ignored?

I have none other than that I have read it as if a fact. I don’t research the basis for each story I read. Have you looked into the fact details? If so, let us know what you have found, please.

[Oryx]

@DougBH

I have none other than that I have read it as if a fact.

You “read it as a fact” that the captain of the boat was hired based on “DEI preferences”? Please share the link.

[DougBH]

@Oryx

@DougBH

I have none other than that I have read it as if a fact.

You “read it as a fact” that the captain of the boat was hired based on “DEI preferences”? Please share the link.

New Zealand's Lesbian "Diversity Hire" Sinks $100 Million Nazy Ship

Just a source I found using a search engine, along with several others that claimed this. I am not otherwise familiar with them nor do I vouch for them. Note, my statement was “if” normal hiring practices were ignored, not that they were.
Again, since you seem concerned about this, have you looked into the facts?

[Oryx]

That story provides zero evidence that she was hired because of her sexual orientation. It makes the claim with literally nothing to back it up. Like several people in this thread, the article makes assumptions based on identity. (What’s the word for that?)

@DougBH

Again, since you seem concerned about this, have you looked into the facts?

Sure. Facts are easy to find, you just have to wade through the opinion pieces from “sources” such as DISNTR. (Check out their homepage, by the way, it’s hilarious.) Commander Gray spent 19 years in the British Royal Navy before joining New Zealand’s navy in 2022. Is 19 years enough experience in your opinion?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350442196/who-commander-yvonne-gray-captain-stricken-hmnzs-manawanui

[Jezcoe]

@DougBH

@Oryx

@DougBH

I have none other than that I have read it as if a fact.

You “read it as a fact” that the captain of the boat was hired based on “DEI preferences”? Please share the link.

New Zealand's Lesbian "Diversity Hire" Sinks $100 Million Nazy Ship

Just a source I found using a search engine, along with several others that claimed this. I am not otherwise familiar with them nor do I vouch for them. Note, my statement was “if” normal hiring practices were ignored, not that they were.
Again, since you seem concerned about this, have you looked into the facts?

My favorite part of that website is the “Heresy of the Day” section.

Who knew that Egalitarianism was heresy?

Now I know.

[DougBH]

So did you check to see if there was a DEI program and if that was considered in her hiring?

[Oryx]

@DougBH

So did you check to see if there was a DEI program and if that was considered in her hiring?

Yes, and I can find no evidence that she was hired for those reasons. Have you looked?

I think this tweet from some random Twitter poster sums up my thoughts nicely:

The characterisation of Yvonne Gray as a DEI hire is unfair. Her resume is solid. But this kind of reaction has been caused by DEI policies that now make any women/minority seen as inevitably a DEI hire rather than merit-based.

https://x.com/aniobrien/status/1843747536445862391

[Sknyluv]

Women in positions of authority are diversity hires until proven otherwise.

[DougBH]

Why would I look? I made no claim one way or the other…only that if it were a DEI hire then it would not be bias to see if a DEI policy had any effect.

[Oryx]

@DougBH

Why would I look? I made no claim one way or the other…only that if it were a DEI hire then it would not be bias to see if a DEI policy had any effect.

Neither did I, and yet you asked me to look. I have an open mind, but I’ve seen no evidence she was a DEI hire. 19 years of experience in the Royal Navy seems like a solid resume to me. Do you agree?

[Liberty323]

@Sknyluv

Women in positions of authority are diversity hires until proven otherwise.

Sponsored by hiring quotas, affirmative action and DEI. Bravo.