Woke - Is The Pushback Beginning?

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

Then there shouldn’t be any issue building a highly skilled and diverse candidate pool to hire from

there isnt. as long as their “diverseness” is not a factor in the hiring process

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

If you are testing to determine how well they can code, why muddy it up with the best fit subjectivity?

I don’t care how good of a coder you are, if you don’t fit with the team… I’m not hiring you.

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

You didn’t read the posts you quoted. Which one said I hire based on diversity?

the one where you said you seek diversity in your candidates.

you are going to try to tell the universe that that’s not what that means now.

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

the best morale. etc comes with the right skill sets, attitudes and work ethic. none of this has anything at all to do with race/gender preferences etc

You should probably do a little bit more research

you should probably stop believing in leftist nonsense

Have you done the research yet? Not sure who thoughts I should take? Any of the fortune 50 or you?

Hmm

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

You didn’t read the posts you quoted. Which one said I hire based on diversity?

the one where you said you seek diversity in your candidates.

you are going to try to tell the universe that that’s not what that means now.

Where did I say

“I seek diversity in my hiring”

Quote it.

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

Have you done the research yet? Not sure who thoughts I should take? Any of the fortune 50 or you?

take your pick.

but your “research” will not credibly show staffing benefits from hiring based on “diversity” because diversity is not an end unto itself like you are programmed to believe.

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

You didn’t read the posts you quoted. Which one said I hire based on diversity?

the one where you said you seek diversity in your candidates.

you are going to try to tell the universe that that’s not what that means now.

Where did I say

“I seek diversity in my hiring”

Quote it.

quote where i said you said that exact quote

see how stupid your games are?

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

You didn’t read the posts you quoted. Which one said I hire based on diversity?

the one where you said you seek diversity in your candidates.

you are going to try to tell the universe that that’s not what that means now.

Where did I say

“I seek diversity in my hiring”

Quote it.

quote where i said you said that exact quote

see how stupid your games are?

Oh goodie

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

I didn’t say it was a factor in my hiring

you did indeed.

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

Have you done the research yet? Not sure who thoughts I should take? Any of the fortune 50 or you?

take your pick.

but your “research” will not credibly show staffing benefits from hiring based on “diversity” because diversity is not an end unto itself like you are programmed to believe.

This is just rambling at this point. How do you know what the research says when you haven’t looked into it?

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

If you are testing to determine how well they can code, why muddy it up with the best fit subjectivity?

I don’t care how good of a coder you are, if you don’t fit with the team… I’m not hiring you.

How does the team know until they work together? Gut reaction? How do you ensure that the team members are not using their own prejudices and biases in their assessment as to whether they get along? How do you know they aren’t racist or sexist or gender phobic? Surely you don’t think that just because you hired them that they are free of personal bias, do you?

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

@Samm

If you are testing to determine how well they can code, why muddy it up with the best fit subjectivity?

I don’t care how good of a coder you are, if you don’t fit with the team… I’m not hiring you.

How does the team know until they work together? Gut reaction? How do you ensure that the team members are not using their own prejudices and biases in their assessment as to whether they get along? How do you know they aren’t racist or sexist or gender phobic? Surely you don’t think that just because you hired them that they are free of personal bias, do you?

I won’t know everything prior to hiring them. But there are red flags that we look for. “I work better alone” would be a good example. If I need a team player, that’s a red flag.

What you are asking for is not hard to weed out during the interview process but it’s not perfect. Bad fits slip through the cracks.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

“I work better alone” would be a good example. If I need a team player, that’s a red flag.

If that’s one of your criteria, it should have been made clear during the solicitation.

But that’s only one flag. Surly that’s not the only subjective factor in your process.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

If that’s one of your criteria, it should have been made clear during the solicitation.

What?

Have you ever been a hiring manager?

You are asking questions or making statements that are table stakes.

@Samm

But that’s only one flag. Surly that’s not the only subjective factor in your process.

I literally said it’s one example.

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

This is just rambling at this point. How do you know what the research says when you haven’t looked into it?

because i am not a programmed leftist robot

i noticed you didnt offer up any of your “research”

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

Oh goodie

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

I didn’t say it was a factor in my hiring

you did indeed.

hard fail

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

This is just rambling at this point. How do you know what the research says when you haven’t looked into it?

because i am not a programmed leftist robot

i noticed you didnt offer up any of your “research”

Facts and reality do tend to have a leftist bias.

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

Oh goodie

@thinkingman

@PurpnGold

I didn’t say it was a factor in my hiring

you did indeed.

hard fail

Not at all.

You said I did. I asked for a quote. You deflected. Period

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

If that’s one of your criteria, it should have been made clear during the solicitation.

What?

Have you ever been a hiring manager?

You are asking questions or making statements that are table stakes.

Yes, I have hired engineers. Not as a full-time duty, but as the engineering manager of the team of engineers under my supervision. It was made clear in the job description that the position had to work not only with peer engineers, but with the greater team of support personnel resources as well.

@Samm

But that’s only one flag. Surely that’s not the only subjective factor in your process.

I literally said it’s one example.

C’mon man, you gave one example to a general question. Don’t get all huffy just because I asked you for more. Surely there must be more …

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

Facts and reality do tend to have a leftist bias.

yeah i know - “woke works - just do your research!”

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

hard fail

Not at all.

You said I did. I asked for a quote. You deflected.

total fail. again. i never said you said that “exact” thing

@thinkingman

quote where i said you said that exact quote

you realize no one in this forum is following this ridiculous back-and-forth right?

anyway you said, essentially, your hiring process is based on diversity, at least in part

i’ll show everyone again where you said that - here:

@PurpnGold

At this stage I only attempt to seek diversity in my candidate pool.

it is what it is