Without western Europeans, would slavery still exist throughout the world?

anon91495210 · 2020-06-23T22:48:20.007Z

Isn’t it funny how we in the west abolished slavery and have the highest quality of life in the world while places like the Middle East still have slavery and live in crap conditions? Did we abolish slavery because we progressed or did we progress because we abolished slavery? Slaves make crappy workers while middle class people make great workers. I’d say we’re better off without slavery, which explains why I’m against Socialism.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-06-23T22:57:41.781Z

What has been demonstrated all over the world is that rapid development occurs with a market economy and the rule law. The US and western Europe led the way with those ideas. On the other hand, many places in the Middle East have degenerated into tribal warfare.

Of course what does Antifa and its allies want to do? Get rid of the police and get rid of the market economy. Venezuela here we come.

Axxowiz · 2020-06-23T23:09:09.977Z

Slavery is wrong, no one currently alive in the U.S. has ever owned a slave from Africa, no African American alive living in the U.S. has been a slave.

The stance of not punishing the child for the fathers sin has pretty much been a nonpartisan agreed upon on issue.

Some people might not like what was just written but it is the truth. Everything is about money, and in the end it always come back to reparations. It might start with a statue being toppled, coining phrases like white privilege which I guess includes the whites eating government cheese, and protests.

But it always comes back to reparations. If all police violence ended tomorrow the protests and outrage wouldn’t stop until the is paid.

anon91495210 · 2020-06-23T23:14:16.783Z

Well, you’re wrong on one count.

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Slavery is still alive.

Nemesis · 2020-06-24T03:02:18.927Z

anon91495210:

What, you don’t think it exists today?

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Read what I ■■■■■■■ wrote. Of course it exists. That was the whole point of my post.

anon91495210 · 2020-06-24T03:46:42.278Z

Thought it was rolling eye emotes after.

Samm · 2020-06-25T00:36:21.651Z

SixFoot:

Nobody cares about modern day slavery. They only care about 150 year old slavery.

They also don’t care about the 94-96% of African sourced slaves sent to the Americas who never came to the United States.

Samm · 2020-06-25T00:38:55.379Z

Nemesis:

thinkingman:

Nemesis:

Bill.in.PA:

The narrative from the many leftists is that slavery is basically a racist European invention, but history shows the opposite.

Which “leftists” have said this?

Who has denied slavery did not exist before the Transatlantic African slave trade?

In the history of humankind there has never been organized slavery on such a wide and industrial scale as what happened between the 16th and 19th centuries.

“industry” didn’t exist before those centuries by and large

slavery has been part of human history for thousands of years, across regions, nations, cultures and religions.

No one is denying that but the OPs opening comment is that “leftists” are precisely denying that. I am just asking for proof that many “leftists” are saying that or is it as I suspect just speculation on the part of the OP.

Slavery is one of the most evil and reprehensible aspects of humanity but no one can deny that the magnitude of the transatlantic slave trade was like nothing seen before and the United States in great part was built both physically and culturally on the back of that trade.

You could try addressing the question posed in the Tread Title and OP rather than nit pick about whether or not leftists denied the preexistence of slavery.

Axxowiz · 2020-06-25T00:53:46.842Z

What about the slave trade today coming out of Libya and in other countries in Africa and parts of Asia. You would think trying to combat and active slave trade would be more important than a statue of someone that hasn’t been alive for 130+ years. Imagine if that ire that is being directed at those old statues was directed at this instead what good might come from it.

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CanadianJudo · 2020-06-25T01:17:17.032Z

American have very little grasp of the world outside of their borders.

thinkingman · 2020-06-25T02:38:09.689Z

CanadianJudo:

American have very little grasp of the world outside of their borders.

thats how it should be. because the rest of bar scene from star wars world sucks

CanadianJudo · 2020-06-25T03:01:51.285Z

Samm:

SixFoot:

Nobody cares about modern day slavery. They only care about 150 year old slavery.

They also don’t care about the 94-96% of African sourced slaves sent to the Americas who never came to the United States.

That is because America is the only place were breeding slaves was the normal, in rest of the trade the average life span of a slave was a decade, working the sugar fields was a death sentence.

CanadianJudo · 2020-06-25T03:05:40.557Z

Axxowiz:

What about the slave trade today coming out of Libya and in other countries in Africa and parts of Asia. You would think trying to combat and active slave trade would be more important than a statue of someone that hasn’t been alive for 130+ years. Imagine if that ire that is being directed at those old statues was directed at this instead what good might come from it.

Qater host to the 2022 world cup (let play soccer in the middle of a desert) built all those facilities with slave labor over 4,000 have died.

CanadianJudo · 2020-06-25T03:07:52.632Z

Bill.in.PA:

A common misconception is that slavery is basically a racist European invention, but history shows the opposite.

The slavery existed in virtually every corner of the world before the coming of European explorers. The Aztecs had slaves before the coming of the Spanish, and slavery was common throughout North America long before Jamestown. Slavery was common throughout Africa, India, China, Polynesia, the Middle East, and most of Europe.

The European enlightenment in the 1700s started the modern campaign to end slavery. The US and the British Empire banned slave trade in the early 1800s. Slavery was banned most of the British Empire in 1833, and by that time slavery was banned in the northern half of the US.

By the end early twentieth century, modern western ideas of equality and justice combined with the spread of the industrial revolution had ended slavery throughout most of the world. The areas where slavery existed were those farthest from western influence. Slavery existed in the Ottoman Empire until it was replaced by modern Turkey after World War I. Ethiopia finally banned slavery in 1942. Saudi Arabia officially ended slavery in 1962, and Mauritania officially ended slavery in 2007.

Is there any reason to believe that slavery would have ended without the influence of western Europeans?

Was the abolition of slavery an example of Western cultural imperialism?

Its not like Western Europe wanted to end slavery, it was more a matter they couldn’t deal with the non stop slave revolts

Axxowiz · 2020-06-25T03:09:05.415Z

Yep I remember that but one almost had to dig for the info as it seemed little of it was covered just like the 1 million minorities locked up in concentration camps in China very little coverage or outrage.

CanadianJudo · 2020-06-25T03:13:21.956Z

Axxowiz:

Yep I remember that but one almost had to dig for the info as it seemed little of it was covered just like the 1 million minorities locked up in concentration camps in China very little coverage or outrage.

one of the biggest economic industries keeping North Korea alive is exporting slave labor to China and Russia

you will find these “Cities” in Rural China/Russia mining, forestry, etc they are guarded by North Korean army officials 150,000-200,000 people are sent there without consent to work for the Russian/Chinese government.

AngraMainyu · 2020-06-25T03:19:49.973Z

Bill.in.PA:

A common misconception is that slavery is basically a racist European invention, but history shows the opposite.

The slavery existed in virtually every corner of the world before the coming of European explorers. The Aztecs had slaves before the coming of the Spanish, and slavery was common throughout North America long before Jamestown. Slavery was common throughout Africa, India, China, Polynesia, the Middle East, and most of Europe.

The European enlightenment in the 1700s started the modern campaign to end slavery. The US and the British Empire banned slave trade in the early 1800s. Slavery was banned most of the British Empire in 1833, and by that time slavery was banned in the northern half of the US.

By the end early twentieth century, modern western ideas of equality and justice combined with the spread of the industrial revolution had ended slavery throughout most of the world. The areas where slavery existed were those farthest from western influence. Slavery existed in the Ottoman Empire until it was replaced by modern Turkey after World War I. Ethiopia finally banned slavery in 1942. Saudi Arabia officially ended slavery in 1962, and Mauritania officially ended slavery in 2007.

Is there any reason to believe that slavery would have ended without the influence of western Europeans?

Was the abolition of slavery an example of Western cultural imperialism?

I don’t think it is a common misconception that it is a racist European invention. European slavery was unprecedented due to its scale and international colonization.

AngraMainyu · 2020-06-25T03:21:22.133Z

Samm:

SixFoot:

Nobody cares about modern day slavery. They only care about 150 year old slavery.

They also don’t care about the 94-96% of African sourced slaves sent to the Americas who never came to the United States.

Well, that’s not true: Haiti.

AngraMainyu · 2020-06-25T03:23:44.879Z

thinkingman:

Nemesis:

Bill.in.PA:

The narrative from the many leftists is that slavery is basically a racist European invention, but history shows the opposite.

Which “leftists” have said this?

Who has denied slavery did not exist before the Transatlantic African slave trade?

In the history of humankind there has never been organized slavery on such a wide and industrial scale as what happened between the 16th and 19th centuries.

“industry” didn’t exist before those centuries by and large

slavery has been part of human history for thousands of years, across regions, nations, cultures and religions.

Not to nitpick, but industry has existed since the Mesopotamian city states. Nonetheless, the transatlantic slave trade is unique and a marker for European conquest of the world.

AngraMainyu · 2020-06-25T03:30:43.740Z

Bill.in.PA:

Emphasizing the European history of slavery while ignoring what went on in the rest of world is misleading. So is ignoring the fact that western Europeans lead the fight against slavery worldwide.

A related issue is the claims that any problems in the world are a result of European exploitation. Exploitation certainly occurred but so did unprecedented worldwide development.

In 1500 virtually everyone lived in extreme poverty by today’s standards. The worldwide trade network and industrial economy pioneered by Europeans has benefited the whole world. For example, the current average life expectancy is 71 years, which is roughly double the value for pre-industrial societies even though the world population has grown by roughly a factor of 10.

Don’t think that’s what is occurring. The slave trade in Italy of slavic is technically “European history of slavery”, but it pales in comparison to the scale of colonization and enslavement from 1500 to 1945.

Also, telling people how much they have “benefited” from that evil is hardly an argument to use to win people (those were colonized or whose ancestors were slaves) over to your side.