Will the real oppressors please stand up

So, the narrative put forth by Democrats is that white men, and more specifically white Republicans have been responsible for the plight of the black community in America today.

Racism is systemic among white Republicans. THEY are responsible for slavery. THEY are responsible for the Jim Crow laws that were enforced for 100 years after the Civil War. THEY are responsible for inner city ghettos, thItse poverty, crime and drugs that plague the inner cities. THEY are responsible for the inferior schools. THEY are responsible for blacks being denied opportunities, jobs and equality in general right?


It is only the fact that the Democrats and their militant offspring the Libs, the Socialists and the Communists have managed to gain control of the public schools, Universities and the media ( and thus the message), that otherwise intelligent people don’t see the real culprits behind the deaths of thousands of African Americans, their continued subjugation by segregation and the poverty and hopelessness that DEMOCRAT leaders have deliberately cultivated by their policies.

I, for one, am sick of the ignorance and lies put out by Democrats, so let’s take a factual look at history, shall we?

Starting with the Civil War. The primary reason Lincoln declared war WAS NOT TO END SLAVERY. I’m NOT saying the sentiment wasn’t there. The North hated slavery and wanted it abolished, but Lincoln’s main concern was preserving the Union. Here’s his own words: " If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that…"

To prevent an unreadable wall of text, I’m going to stop here. I have a direction I want to go, and will be doing so. In the meantime, feel free to add or detract from my OP…

Had the South not seceded, would there have been war?

And why did the Southern states secede?

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Could you point to a couple of examples of arguments which rely on modern, white, Republican males being retroactively responsible for antebellum slavery?

Don’t expect eric holder’s nation of cowardly dimocrats to respond with honesty.

They’ll ignore, twist, spin, deny, excuse and lie and continue to keep on keeping on.

Call it the joe biden mentality of debate. They know they get 90% of the black vote and don’t care what happens to that 90% on every day between election days.

I’ve seen it here for years from the exact same culprits who post stuff like this over and over again.

But keep chipping away. You may eventually get some honest debate.

It can be a bit difficult to have honest debate when you are busy poisoning the well.

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Had they not seceded, likely not. However, it would be difficult to imagine a situation where they did not feel like they had to. Because of trade laws passed in large part with no southern support and the absolute eventuality in the near future of abolition, the south was in a particular predicament. They could not afford to go on without slavery, and they would not be able to go on with it. Without the ability to sell raw materials outside of the US, once slavery was abolished, the entire system of production in the south would collapse. If the powers that be in the south wished to maintain their status, I don’t see where they had much choice but to secede.


I’m poisoning the well??

Finally a Con who understands that the North didn’t fight to end slavery.

Hopefully the narrative that “reparations were paid by the blood of the union” can go away.

Thank you!


odd, you argued the exact opposite with me just a bit ago. really, odd.

Enough of this nonsense.

The Southern states seceded to preserve slavery.

I already debunked your attempt to pretend otherwise by saying it wasn’t in their articles of secession.

It was…in all of them.

A last desperate attempt to save their agrarian culture.


Yes. See excerpt below:

The answer is no one.

But when you look at today’s modern groups, you can legitimately ask the question…which group is consistent in defense of continuing to honor a backward culture built wholly on the backs of enslaved peoples?

No one blames anyone today for slavery.

The request is simply to stop according public honor to those who defended slavery.

And I fail to see why this is so difficult to do.


No I didn’t

Finally? Some been saying it since I been here.

You think northeastern elitists cared about Blacks?

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So no reparations then??

And ■■■■ the lowlifes who think they’re owed some.

Glad we can all agree.

In the latest reparations thread… more than a few cons were arguing that the North fought to end slavery.

Northeastern elites cared about black just a bit more than southerners. But it wasn’t exactly where it should have been.

untrue. It was prominent in 2 of four, mentioned only in relatioin to other slave states in one, and not mentioned at all in the other, the rest published no articles.

enough of your nonsense.

It was mentioned prominently in all of them…I corrected your erroneous declaration it was not.

In case you’ve forgotten:


Andrew Johnson, though a Southern Democrat, became President after Lincoln’s assassination. He wanted to unify the country quickly and had to send in union troops to maintain the peace as reconstruction began. During the period, right after the war, Republicans began gaining political offices in the Southern states. This created resentment and so the South began creating “black codes” as a result.

“Southern states returned many of their old leaders and passed Black codes” to deprive the freedmen of many civil liberties, but Congressional Republicans refused to seat legislators from those states and advanced legislation to overrule the Southern actions.

However, Democrats had regained power in most Southern states by the late 1870s. Later, this period came to be referred to as Redemption. From 1890–1908 states of the former Confederacy passed statutes and amendments to their state constitutions that effectively disenfranchised most African Americans and tens of thousands of poor whites. They did this through devices such as poll taxes and literacy tests.