Why would you want to hunt a wolf? Whats the point

[coolidge]

I dont see a problem in controlling predators. This thread does show the overlap of libs push to gun control. Basically 2 lib groups coming together for one purpose to gun control. Environuts and gun grabbers joining and screaming how evil man is.

[Scratch]

@coolidge

This thread does show the overlap of libs push to gun control.

This has nothing to do with gun control…its about the ethicalness of trophy hunting.

[coolidge]

There are only two categories this falls in. Gun control and environuts. Both have the same premise “look what evils man can do”.

[gooddad409]

@Camp

Coyotes are doing this in a lot of urban locations including Chicago.

Why Coyotes — Up To 4,000 Of Them — Are Turning Up In Chicago : NPR

Coyotes enjoy eating the family pets as well.

The local farmers in the rural area i used to live in for 40 years buy donkeys to put them in with their cattle.

Seems the donkeys hate coyotes and will fight them when the coyotes try to kill and eat new born calves.

Sometimes the cow mother of the calf) and donkey will team up against the coyote(s) i am told.

[Rurudyne]

5. Hunting lawyers isn’t legal badaboomkisk

[altair1013]

@WuWei

You ever see what wild hogs will do to a neighborhood?

I’m not a hunter. But I think I would hunt them. They are an environmental nightmare.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

[SixFoot]

I have a zonkey and can attest to this. When he’s done trampling a small predator to death, he doesn’t eat it or even keep the pelt. He just lets it rot until someone else takes care of his mess.

[gooddad409]

@SixFoot

I have a zonkey and can attest to this. When he’s done trampling a small predator to death, he doesn’t eat it or even keep the pelt. He just lets it rot until someone else takes care of his mess.

That’s a valuable animal.

[Samm]

@Scratch

Nice try…Thats my choice on deer hunting. Which I said I have no problem with. Had nothing to do with my outlook on Trophy Hunting. Never believed in it.

It doesn’t mater what you believe. If you are hunting deer, it makes zero difference whether you are hunting for meat, pleasure or a trophy. In all cases, the meat must be salvaged for consumption. Emotions and morals don’t come into play as far as the law is concerned.

[Samm]

@Scratch

@coolidge

This thread does show the overlap of libs push to gun control.

This has nothing to do with gun control…its about the ethicalness of trophy hunting.

No … it has nothing to do with ethics. It’s all about emotions.

[Samm]

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

Wrong. That’s a myth. They pick the ones that are easiest to kill … the young. Sure, every now and then they come across a lame or elderly animal as will kill it, but the predominant victims are the newborn and juveniles.

[Samm]

@SixFoot

I have a zonkey and can attest to this. When he’s done trampling a small predator to death, he doesn’t eat it or even keep the pelt. He just lets it rot until someone else takes care of his mess.

Yep. There is no waste in nature unless man cleans up the mess.

[toreyj01]

@Samm

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

Wrong. That’s a myth. They pick the ones that are easiest to kill … the young. Sure, every now and then they come across a lame or elderly animal as will kill it, but the predominant victims are the newborn and juveniles.

But hunters often seek the biggest bucks with the largest racks, and those are the ones who would survive the winter and breed stronger progeny. Reverse darwinism, so to speak. Wolves aren’t going to tackle some beast of a deer, they are going after the smaller ones, the babies and the ill ones. Darwinism in a nutshell, the strong survive.

[Samm]

@toreyj01

@Samm

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

Wrong. That’s a myth. They pick the ones that are easiest to kill … the young. Sure, every now and then they come across a lame or elderly animal as will kill it, but the predominant victims are the newborn and juveniles.

But hunters often seek the biggest bucks with the largest racks, and those are the ones who would survive the winter and breed stronger progeny. Reverse darwinism, so to speak. Wolves aren’t going to tackle some beast of a deer, they are going after the smaller ones, the babies and the ill ones. Darwinism in a nutshell, the strong survive.

That’s the theory, but prey animals have been hunted in such a manner for more than a hundred fifty years without having a measurable effect on the herds. There is also a theory that taking the largest, strongest males improves the genetic diversity of the herds because it allows for more males to breed.

[toreyj01]

@Samm

@toreyj01

@Samm

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

Wrong. That’s a myth. They pick the ones that are easiest to kill … the young. Sure, every now and then they come across a lame or elderly animal as will kill it, but the predominant victims are the newborn and juveniles.

But hunters often seek the biggest bucks with the largest racks, and those are the ones who would survive the winter and breed stronger progeny. Reverse darwinism, so to speak. Wolves aren’t going to tackle some beast of a deer, they are going after the smaller ones, the babies and the ill ones. Darwinism in a nutshell, the strong survive.

That’s the theory, but prey animals have been hunted in such a manner for more than a hundred fifty years without having a measurable effect on the herds. There is also a theory that taking the largest, strongest males improves the genetic diversity of the herds because it allows for more males to breed.

Sort of counters the whole argument I hear from hunters, and I know quite a few of them being from Michigan. We have lots of deer here. They argue they are culling the herd so they can survive the winter, but culling should entail winnowing out the weak ones, not the strong ones. Natural selection is billions of years in the making, while hunting with rifles and bait is fairly recent.

It doesn’t make sense to kill the strongest deer if we truly care about keeping the herd healthy, it just doesn’t.

[FloridaYankee]

@toreyj01

@Samm

@toreyj01

@Samm

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

Wrong. That’s a myth. They pick the ones that are easiest to kill … the young. Sure, every now and then they come across a lame or elderly animal as will kill it, but the predominant victims are the newborn and juveniles.

But hunters often seek the biggest bucks with the largest racks, and those are the ones who would survive the winter and breed stronger progeny. Reverse darwinism, so to speak. Wolves aren’t going to tackle some beast of a deer, they are going after the smaller ones, the babies and the ill ones. Darwinism in a nutshell, the strong survive.

That’s the theory, but prey animals have been hunted in such a manner for more than a hundred fifty years without having a measurable effect on the herds. There is also a theory that taking the largest, strongest males improves the genetic diversity of the herds because it allows for more males to breed.

Sort of counters the whole argument I hear from hunters, and I know quite a few of them being from Michigan. We have lots of deer here. They argue they are culling the herd so they can survive the winter, but culling should entail winnowing out the weak ones, not the strong ones. Natural selection is billions of years in the making, while hunting with rifles and bait is fairly recent.

It doesn’t make sense to kill the strongest deer if we truly care about keeping the herd healthy, it just doesn’t.

It’s like saying that taking the smartest people out of the gene pool raises the IQ of all the rest.

[Samm]

@toreyj01

@Samm

@toreyj01

@Samm

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@Scratch

Deer…

What do you think wolves do to the deer population if left unchecked?

Why would you hunt deer? You can buy venison on the internet.

Wolves tend to do a better job with the deer than hunters do, they pick off the sick ones, not the biggest and healthiest ones.

Wrong. That’s a myth. They pick the ones that are easiest to kill … the young. Sure, every now and then they come across a lame or elderly animal as will kill it, but the predominant victims are the newborn and juveniles.

But hunters often seek the biggest bucks with the largest racks, and those are the ones who would survive the winter and breed stronger progeny. Reverse darwinism, so to speak. Wolves aren’t going to tackle some beast of a deer, they are going after the smaller ones, the babies and the ill ones. Darwinism in a nutshell, the strong survive.

That’s the theory, but prey animals have been hunted in such a manner for more than a hundred fifty years without having a measurable effect on the herds. There is also a theory that taking the largest, strongest males improves the genetic diversity of the herds because it allows for more males to breed.

Sort of counters the whole argument I hear from hunters, and I know quite a few of them being from Michigan. We have lots of deer here. They argue they are culling the herd so they can survive the winter, but culling should entail winnowing out the weak ones, not the strong ones. Natural selection is billions of years in the making, while hunting with rifles and bait is fairly recent.

It doesn’t make sense to kill the strongest deer if we truly care about keeping the herd healthy, it just doesn’t.

Are you suggesting that all hunters in Michigan are trophy hunting? In my experience, most hunters seek a younger, smaller, more tender animal because they make a better meal.

Winter die-offs have little to do with what animals are taken by hunters. It has more to do with the health of the habitat. An over browsed habitat can kill the strongest of animals over the course of the winter. It cab be particularly hard on the big dominant bulls who burn tons of fat reserves defending their right to breed.

[SixFoot]

Vultures gotta eat too.

[Samm]

@FloridaYankee

It’s like saying that taking the smartest people out of the gene pool raises the IQ of all the rest.

No its not, not even remotely.