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I see you once again deflect and obfuscate by avoiding to post a link requested.

JWK

Why have a written constitution approved by the people if those who it is designed to limit and control are free to make it mean whatever they wish it to mean?

It’s not a deflection to say your argument was rejected by SCOTUS.

It was.

The ruling was in favor of the vax mandate continuing unabated.

Allan

Yes. You are deflecting and obfuscating.

Where is you link confirming the SCOTUS disagreed with the issues I mentioned IN THIS POST which you assert they did?

JWK

Let us not forget during the coming election what the Democrat Party Leadership has done to our businesses, our families and our children.

what friend? and who gives a ■■■■ about a ruling that pre exists strict scrutiny? Not to mention its about a state law being enforced by a local government.

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They don’t get it, and don’t want to get it. To them, it’s about imposing their idea of social justice, fairness and reasonableness, and screw the rule of law

JWK

“The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice.” – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

Yet another loss in SCOTUS rejecting a challenge to vax mandates.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-supreme-court-rejects-challenge-151402224.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

The losses continue to mount for the anti vax forces.

Allan

I am assuming the OP is your friend.

The problem I saw is the NY Teachers are claiming this mandate violates the US Constitution…however, the OP is citing NY state court rulings in his arguments.

Do you now see the problem? That will get you laughed out of a Federal court faster than you can say ‘Federalist’.

Also, you can also add to the SCOTUS rulings, ‘Simon vs Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusettes’ on whether vaccine mandates are constitutional.

If the state can make you wear a helmet, I’m pretty sure they can mandate a vaccine during a pandemic.

Let me put the argument another way, and see if it makes sense to you.

I recently (less than a month ago) had COVID. By law, I was required to quarantine temporarily in my home.

Since I could not go to work, I got paid workmans comp (NY state law mind you) for missed work days.

Who paid for that? You did (thank you btw for doing that, I’m truly grateful).

Now, for the sake of argument, let’s assume things went south. Now I have to go to the hospital for treatment.

Who is paying for this? I sure as hell can’t because I can’t work. Somebody has to pay for this (doctors and nurses don’t work for free), so again, you paid for it. Again, thank you very much.

Now, while I am in the hospital, my health turns south some more, and I am put on a respirator. Who pays for that? Obviously you did.

Finally, I recover from the illness, but still have lingering problems walking more than across the room without running short of breath (this is covid long haul if your’re wondering), so now I need rehabilitation treatments. Why pays for that? Once again, you did.

If you’re paying for my covid illness, what on earth gives me the right give you the middle finger, and refuse to roll up my arm and take the covid vaccine?

(this argument is based on SCOTUS rulings already handed down, most notably "Simon vs Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts)

big difference between state and federal mandates. the question about state mandates is open. the last time there was a decision on them, strict scrutiny was not a factor. i do believe it would be today if the court follows its own rules. under strict scrutiny, the arguments for mandates would be interesting. helmet? lol, you guys love to stretch.

workmans comp is insurance funded by premiums your employer pays. i didn’t pay ■■■■

Check your w-2…at least here in NY there is a line item called ‘NY DIS’, which is workmans comp. Yes, you did pay sir, and I thank you!

no i did not. your states disability ins is your states business. how its connected to wc insurance i have no idea

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The losses continue? The SC did not rule on the pleadings . . . it simply rejects hearing the case. But hey, there are many who love that tactic . . . screw the right of being heard, abiding by the rule of law, and/or deciding on the merits.

And of course, ignore the protection of strict scrutiny in a case where fundamental rights are an issue.

JWK

Why have a written constitution approved by the people if those who it is designed to limit and control are free to make it mean whatever they wish it to mean?