Why so serious?

fallenturtle · 2020-12-28T22:34:35.181Z

WuWei:

Not at all. How is that condescending? 4 threads, everyone of them in Community Feedback. That is a fact.

Good.

Because you are acting like I don’t know what goes into a good OP. As I said, I started some on the old forum so I don’t know why you brought up this forums history for a second time.

I think we both know that not every OP on these forums has put a lot of thought into what they posted and I think its completely fair to point out their hypocrisy.

WuWei · 2020-12-28T22:36:48.831Z

fallenturtle:

WuWei:

Not at all. How is that condescending? 4 threads, everyone of them in Community Feedback. That is a fact.

Good.

Because you are acting like I don’t know what goes into a good OP. As I said, I started some on the old forum so I don’t know why you brought up this forums history for a second time.

I think we both know that not every OP on these forums has put a lot of thought into what they posted and I think its completely fair to point out their hypocrisy.

So you say, not one in 2.5 years. Give it a try.

fallenturtle · 2020-12-28T22:54:59.659Z

WuWei:

fallenturtle:

WuWei:

Not at all. How is that condescending? 4 threads, everyone of them in Community Feedback. That is a fact.

Good.

Because you are acting like I don’t know what goes into a good OP. As I said, I started some on the old forum so I don’t know why you brought up this forums history for a second time.

I think we both know that not every OP on these forums has put a lot of thought into what they posted and I think its completely fair to point out their hypocrisy.

So you say, not one in 2.5 years. Give it a try.

I’ve considered it, but haven’t come up with anything I felt was worth it or I didn’t assume would just get merged into a preexisting mega thread.

conan · 2020-12-28T23:14:13.841Z

It was about Biden comment…not Trump.

Biden talked about being strongest labor president…what the ■■■■ does that mean?

That you care? Care about what? Workers safety? Unions? All that doesn’t even matter if their is no jobs available.

Because of derailment that was never brought up. Libs achieved what that wanted.

Shame really…it could have been a good discussion.

fallenturtle · 2020-12-28T23:20:59.311Z

Perhaps you should have thought better than of including:

Honest day work for honest days pay…that something you never experienced Joe.

You set up the shot…

Call_me_Ishmael · 2020-12-28T23:23:55.012Z

WuWei:

Call_me_Ishmael:

I don’t know what thread that is.

It’s linked above, once by @conan and once by me.

I see it. What were the libs doing? They were challenging @Conan on his objectivity . There are a couple of points to make.

A poster opens themself up for criticism when they conflate a President’s personal qualities with their policies. They should stay on point about how their policies will likely undermine the promise they are making.
This is not a “tu quo que fallacy” that some mistakenly and often point to when they want to dismiss some Whataboutism. The libs surely did some “Whataboutism” but they made no concerted and overt attempt to challenge the character assessment that the OP was making. They challenged Conan’s legitimacy as an objective poster. Had they said “Conan since you didn’t complain about Trump’s qualities in this regard, we have to assume that your accusations about Biden are false”, THAT would have been a TuQuoQue logical fallacy.
They challenged the objectivity of Conan. Let’s say it more plainly. They challenged the intellectual honesty of the OP. Yes. And it was a legitimate challenge and it was a fair challenge. There may
be an issue of violating the guidance, “address the post and not the poster” but … not so fast. We write in shorthand here. Let me put on a lib hat and give them them the benefit of the doubt. The complete thought that they wanted to say could just as well have been “OP, you complain about Biden. But you know there is comparable criticism about Trump. We didn’t see you express such disdain for Trump, share with us the reason, the difference between Trump and Biden that led you to complain about one but not the other.” Now… of course in the heat of debate, these thoughts are not very explicit. But when such posts as these "yeah… what about " occur, the recipient should interpret them that way. And if he cannot articulate the difference, then we have to accept the standard used to judge the one case is a legitimate standard to judge the other case; namely Presidents’ personal behaviors are poor indicators of the efficacy of their policies.

I say give the OP another chance to show that Biden will be bad for the union worker… based on his policies…not his personal qualities. It should be a good thread.

conan · 2020-12-28T23:30:53.153Z

I guess you also missed the highlight part.

“live by a code, an American code, it sounds corny but it’s real. Honor, duty, country, something bigger than yourself.”

What code is that? Duty? Honor? Country?

Or is it basic survival?

Sometime I leave thread open for multiple discussions and angles.

As I said…it could have been a good thread.

And now you know why mods have to intervene sometimes.

fallenturtle · 2020-12-28T23:35:42.552Z

conan:

What code is that? Duty? Honor? Country?

Or is it basic survival?

Start a thread if you want on the topic, its not going to be discussed here.

conan:

And now you know why mods have to intervene sometimes.

I’m fine with the mods intervening in your thread because you requested it.

Do you look back at that experience and think about what you posted and how you could approach it differently in the future to avoid people doing a Trump whatboutism?

conan · 2020-12-28T23:42:19.325Z

fallenturtle:

Do you look back at that experience and think about what you posted and how you could approach it differently in the future to avoid people doing a Trump whatboutism?

No I don’t.

DMK · 2020-12-28T23:43:39.239Z

conan:

And now you know why mods have to intervene sometimes.

I’m surprised at the patience shown in this thread. I’ve read it from the beginning.

The moderator who is being questioned is absolutely correct.

What we have here is “let me see what inch I can take so I can make it into a mile”.

You have great OP’s @conan

fallenturtle · 2020-12-28T23:58:22.004Z

DMK:

What we have here is “let me see what inch I can take so I can make it into a mile”.

If you’re talking about the left, its “let me see what centimeter I can take so I can make it into a kilometer”.

Also I don’t believe thats the intent usually, at least for the regular posters.

WuWei · 2020-12-29T00:49:34.064Z

fallenturtle:

I’ve considered it, but haven’t come up with anything I felt was worth it or I didn’t assume would just get merged into a preexisting mega thread.

Yet you’ve got plenty of posts. Give it a shot.

WuWei · 2020-12-29T00:50:39.823Z

fallenturtle:

Perhaps you should have thought better than of including:

Honest day work for honest days pay…that something you never experienced Joe.

You set up the shot…

And the pile on. The ol’ Miniskirt Defense.

conan · 2020-12-29T00:53:55.818Z

LOL I was going to say something about that. Blaming me for their actions.

Too funny…

WuWei · 2020-12-29T01:01:18.312Z

fallenturtle:

Also I don’t believe thats the intent usually, at least for the regular posters.

Every poster in that thread and your typo is a “regular poster”. I don’t really know what an irregular poster is.

Every single thread was turned into a Trump thread for the past four years.

I know there are a lot of people are reading this and thinking “whatabout Obama” or “same thing will happen with Jbiden”.

I don’t speak for the other mods, but it won’t with me. The same rules.

Here’s another little note: The “mega thread” was made because the board was getting flooded with “he cheated” threads every 5 minutes. We’re not going to have it.

Now that the election is over, we’ve discussed letting up a little. It’s been that way every election year. But that also depends on the level of maturity displayed by the membership.

Those who want to troll and do nothing but personal attacks can do it elsewhere.

“Nuh uh! Trump!” Or “Nuh uh! Biden!” is neither a discussion nor a debate.

There are some great debaters here. They deserve better than that garbage.

fallenturtle · 2020-12-29T01:16:53.690Z

WuWei:

Every poster in that thread and your typo is a “regular poster”. I don’t really know what an irregular poster is.

Speaking in general, not that thread specific. An non-regular poster would be someone who is new or doesn’t post much.

WuWei:

Every single thread was turned into a Trump thread for the past four years.

He’s the president and its a politics forum… that’s normal.

WuWei:

Here’s another little note: The “mega thread” was made because the board was getting flooded with “he cheated” threads every 5 minutes. We’re not going to have it.

Again, I’m speaking in general. We have several megathreads.

WuWei:

Those who want to troll and do nothing but personal attacks can do it elsewhere.

“Nuh uh! Trump!” Or “Nuh uh! Biden!” is neither a discussion nor a debate.

I agree. I don’t even like those snide “try to keep up” type comments posters sometimes put at the bottom of their posts.

WuWei · 2020-12-29T01:33:28.748Z

fallenturtle:

He’s the president and its a politics forum… that’s normal.

No, it’s not “normal”. It’s trolling.

fallenturtle:

Again, I’m speaking in general. We have several megathreads.

What’s another one?

fallenturtle:

I agree. I don’t even like those snide “try to keep up” type comments posters sometimes put at the bottom of their posts.

Well it took 185 posts, but we agree on something.

There are multiple sub forums here. If one wishes a more permissive environment to play in, there’s always Trivial Pursuits or one of the others.

That is not the purpose of Politics. But they don’t want to do that. They want (need) the biggest audience they can disrupt to show how “clever” they are. Politics is what this forum is about. Not a playground.

It’s time for some people to show a little maturity. In Politics.

DMK · 2020-12-29T01:35:22.611Z

fallenturtle:

If you’re talking about the left, its “let me see what centimeter I can take so I can make it into a kilometer”.

Also I don’t believe thats the intent usually, at least for the regular posters.

Then learn to reign in intent.

Samm · 2020-12-29T01:37:10.479Z

toreyj01:

I will just ad my 2 cent piece in here. When I start a thread, the hope is that it will spark some conversation and perhaps get some good numbers in posting. I try and source it right and provide good commentary and hope for the best.

And sometimes, despite all of this, it falls off the front page without much of a comment.

And sometimes, it really takes off. That is satisfying to me, to say the least.

I could care less, personally, where the thread evolves or devolves into, as long as it sparks a conversation. And like any conversation, where it eventually heads may be totally different than the intended path.

But that is okay.

I still get the satisfaction of seeing my thread thrive and become a place where people go back to and chime in, and that is always good enough.

Humor, branches of conversation diverging and even several conversations happening all in the same thread are things I enjoy, I don’t get upset that everyone isn’t following a rigid structured path. That is the path to a short thread, once you have stated your opinion there isn’t really much else to say and no one here is going to change their mind due to a compelling argument, we are all quite inured to contrary opinions.

And what you don’t want is for folks to be cautious in posting because they fear they are diverging too wildly, which can lead to sanctions and possible banning.

Anyways that is my 2 cents.

Why are you being so serious?

WuWei · 2020-12-29T04:59:06.088Z