Why Paul's words rather than Jesus'?

[AlexMcAlpine]

@ResPrivita

Being the smartest among them I always wondered why Jesus himself did not control the message he would leave behind, he must have known his days were numbered.

I’ve often wondered that, too.

[Optrader]

@ResPrivita

I’m a layman on religion.
Paul was the most educated I believe. He spoke, and wrote Ancient Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, again I’m not positive.
He was the first really to take the Jesus show on the road. Jesus did not, as many today believe, include other than Jews in his world view. He did not travel much outside his Jewish world, and only helped, those in it. Others from outside coming in he dealt with, but him outside, not too much.
Paul took the story of Jesus after he died, and wrote, and traveled. The other’s gave their accounts, and so on.
Debate was had amongst them if Christianity was for other people; non-Jews too.
Paul is the first messenger of Jesus’s life, and his message for human kind.
Being the smartest among them I always wondered why Jesus himself did not control the message he would leave behind, he must have known his days were numbered.
The Third Rasool Muhamed I understand; in it’s largest parts, had the Quaran written under his personal design, via God of course.
The Torah is the 1st.
The Holy Bible is the 2nd. It’s old testament is essentially the Torah, added with the life of Christ via Paul, and others.
The Quaran is the 3rd. Or last version, as Muhamed calls himself the Seal of the three. It is the Bible, but with new events via the life of the Seal added.
They all worship the same single God, they all acknowledge the Torah’s stories, and use them.
Paul was the first, and probably main person in getting out, and down on paper the Jesus story.
Christianity first appears in Greece after Jesus’s death, Paul traveled their first.
Paul is a big deal.

“For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

What part of the above leads you to believe Jesus was only concerned with Jews?

[Guvnah]

@ResPrivita

Jesus did not, as many today believe, include other than Jews in his world view.

Well that’s wrong.

[Guvnah]

@ResPrivita

Being the smartest among them I always wondered why Jesus himself did not control the message he would leave behind, he must have known his days were numbered.

He did. And He continues to do so, through the Holy Spirit. He laid that out at the Last Supper.

[ResPrivita]

I’m speaking from a historical perspective.
Jesus did not travel much if at all outside his known Hebrew world, then under the control or Rome.
The Jewish faith then as now is still waiting for their messiah to come; so far a very long time.
Was Jesus that Jewish Messiah, Jews said, and still say, no? According to the religious elite at the time they were not convinced; you know the rest of the tale.
The very fact that there was a debate to that very question among his followers left behind after his demise shows that they didn’t even know for sure themselves, and they knew him best.
Jesus did not live in the age if the Bible, he lived in the age of the Torah.
The Bible came after his death, via Paul, and others.

[Piper]

@AlexMcAlpine

I’ve been watching a few religious videos on YouTube and a lot of them quote Paul’s words as ‘scripture’ and what should be followed. Paul wrote this in this letter and he wrote that in that letter and for this reason there should be no women priests and women should not be in authority over men and ya da ya da.

And I’m thinking…who the heck is Paul that his words should matter? Isn’t it Jesus who is the messiah? Paul wasn’t even an original apostle and never even met Jesus, amirite?

For Christians, why are anyone’s words followed if that person isn’t Jesus?

Join the mob. Tear all of the statues of the Apostle Paul down.

[Guvnah]

@ResPrivita

I’m speaking from a historical perspective.

Why did He pick such a backwards time and such a strange land?
If he had come today he would have reached the whole nation.
But Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication!

[SixFoot]

Ever read about Saint Issa?

[LeroyBrown]

@AlexMcAlpine

So I’ve been doing a bit of reading - well, actually viewing of videos by Southern Seminary - and now I ask the religious here to discuss something religious - why believe in Paul instead of Jesus?

I am not sure where Paul’s teachers are being elevated above that of Jesus? Do you have a specific example that could be discussed?

Women did not play much of a prominent role in worship in Jewish society during the time of Jesus. Men from the house of Levi fulfilled the role of priests, high priest, and even janitorial, worship leaders and temple guards. Men where chosen to be disciples, not women.

Though interestingly enough, instead of having the disciples rely of Jesus supernaturally providing for all of their needs, had the disciples rely on the support of the woman that followed Jesus and supported his ministry from their own means.

[ResPrivita]

Because that’s where the Jews were, and some believe he was primarily interested in his own Jewish people, so that’s where he would have been.
It was not a strange land to him, it was his land, his country, his people, his home, and their religion.

[Guvnah]

@ResPrivita

Because

I think you missed the reference in there.

Maybe you’re too young.

[ResPrivita]

I know what I wrote.
I was responding to what you wrote.
This aint’ Tatooine, you ain’t Obi-Wan Kenobi, and I sure as heck ain’t no Luke Sywalker searching for a Jedi master.
So please less cryptiction, and a little more straight forward language.
My brother Guvnah.

[Paul_Thomson]

@AlexMcAlpine

So, what do you think? Why are Paul’s words venerated over Jesus’?

Could you give an example of Paul’s words being generated over Jesus’?

[Paul_Thomson]

@Guvnah

Why did He pick such a backwards time and such a strange land?
If he had come today he would have reached the whole nation.
But Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication!

Have you considered that we are where we are today and capable of mass communication only because he came 2023 years ago. Without Christianity we wouldn’t have modern science.

[Guvnah]

Folks… It’s a paraphrase of lyrics from “Jesus Christ, Superstar”.