Why is the Trump administration allowing an ongoing invasion of our borders?

johnwk2 · 2018-06-19T20:33:40.722Z

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

President Trump needs to force Congress to act, and he can do so using his emergency powers to stop this invasion at our borders.

Why hasn’t he done so, in your opinion?

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

President Trump needs to order the National Guard to forcefully prevent foreigners from illegally setting foot upon our side of the border. Is that not how you stop an invasion, and likewise stop separating children from their parents?

Our country is under attack! Will we lose it to the poverty stricken populations of other countries who are invading us?

And what about Congress’ power To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Is Congress acting in concert with this invading force?

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

BlueTex · 2018-06-19T20:39:46.759Z

Heck, JWK, four more governors just ordered their National Guard units back…

CNN – 18 Jun 18

Immigration in the US: What's happening at the border

More than 2,000 children remain separated from their parents despite President Trump's executive order, and House Republicans are working on their immigration bill. Follow live.

Blackwolf · 2018-06-19T20:48:10.007Z

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

LouC · 2018-06-19T20:55:14.430Z

What we are seeing at the Southern states borders, individuals with children from far flung locations applying for asylum or simply entering our country illegally, does not, especially by James Madison’s explanation, constitute “invasion” via our Constitution’s Article IV Section 4 clause.

Yes, one can play semantics with the word invasion in order to justify their opinion that our President is allowing an “invasion” by illegal immigrant and their children that he could and should repel militarily by Federalizing the NG.

However if one looks to the founders explanation-definition “invasion” is by force(s) of a foreign nation.

LouC · 2018-06-19T20:56:30.424Z

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

johnwk2 · 2018-06-19T21:07:34.723Z

LouC:

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

You find it funny that our country is being invaded and overrun with the poverty stricken populations of other countries?

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

LouC · 2018-06-19T21:10:42.978Z

johnwk2:

LouC:

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

You find it funny that our country is being invaded and overrun with the poverty stricken populations of other countries?

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

I find it hilarious, the biting sarcasm of that post I responded to, with the laughing emoji.

SottoVoce · 2018-06-19T22:04:02.902Z

johnwk2:

LouC:

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

You find it funny that our country is being invaded and overrun with the poverty stricken populations of other countries?

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice.

JayJay · 2018-06-19T22:12:21.209Z

Miller has pretty much announced that is the plan.

Around September/October expect some other kind of crackdown at the border that will cause a controversy.

GrandWazoo · 2018-06-19T22:14:44.901Z

JayJay:

Miller has pretty much announced that is the plan.

Around September/October expect some other kind of crackdown at the border that will cause a controversy.

It is beyond me that they think this is a winner for the mid-terms.

JayJay · 2018-06-19T22:32:15.321Z

Miller and Trump have made the calculus that border issues favor Trump and the GOP, whether the specific issue is generating positive or negative attention.

They may be correct…

johnwk2 · 2018-06-19T22:38:58.223Z

LouC:

johnwk2:

LouC:

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

You find it funny that our country is being invaded and overrun with the poverty stricken populations of other countries?

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

I find it hilarious, the biting sarcasm of that post I responded to, with the laughing emoji.

Oh come now. At least confess that you support allowing the poverty stricken populations of other countries to invade our borders and having American citizens turned into tax-slaves to support their economic needs.

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

dubarry20833 · 2018-06-19T22:39:32.697Z

Trump is a tinpot coward. He talked tough on immigration, his former Homeland Secretary announced in 2017 the administration was considering separating families as a deterrent and the current AG admitted it recently. Everyone knows this zero tolerance policy is a departure from how previous administrations handled families. Yet the coward in the White House doesn’t have the balls to own it and blames Dems. He’s a useless, feckless and impotent ■■■■■■

JayJay · 2018-06-19T22:40:36.905Z

I do because being a tax slave is so woke, man!

LouC · 2018-06-19T22:49:22.185Z

johnwk2:

LouC:

johnwk2:

LouC:

Blackwolf:

johnwk2:

I have no idea. Maybe he is being fed inaccurate information about his emergency powers.

How could he have no idea? He’s deeply patriotic with a genius level intellect.

You find it funny that our country is being invaded and overrun with the poverty stricken populations of other countries?

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

I find it hilarious, the biting sarcasm of that post I responded to, with the laughing emoji.

Oh come now. At least confess that you support allowing the poverty stricken populations of other countries to invade our borders and having American citizens turned into tax-slaves to support their economic needs.

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

Why would I admit to that?

I do not find illegal aliens violating our immigration laws to be a laughing matter.

Some of the over the top rhetoric I see here and hear elsewhere on the topic, well that is another thing, I can get a chuckle or laugh from much of that.

johnwk2 · 2018-06-19T23:23:26.961Z

GrandWazoo:

JayJay:

Miller has pretty much announced that is the plan.

Around September/October expect some other kind of crackdown at the border that will cause a controversy.

It is beyond me that they think this is a winner for the mid-terms.

It’s a winner for the American People who are suffering the devastative effects of this ongoing invasion.

Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995

Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department’s Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County’s assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.

Impacts on San Diego County

In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

Welfare Costs.

When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 “citizen children” apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these “citizen child” cases continues to rise each year.

Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to “citizen children” cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.

Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under “restricted Medi-Cal benefits.” During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for “restricted Medi-Cal benefits.” Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

Criminal justice.
A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.

Education.

Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.

And, more recently see:

Illegal aliens cost California billions
2004
”Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.”

Also see: Testimony about “51 Florida Hospitals in trouble” due to illegal aliens expenses:

Jun 10, 2008

”No need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units!!!”

Then take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

Aug 19, 2010

Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.

And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

May 6, 2013

”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”

And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nation’s population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014

Mar 2015

”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”

Now, the question is, do you support an America first immigration policy which is merit based and forbids “immigrants” from receiving government cheese for at least five years?

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

BlueTex · 2018-06-19T23:50:25.662Z

CassandraJoe:

So…if I read you correctly, you want the President to call out the National Guard to shoot down unarmed women and children, as well as men, for stepping across the border?

Even in wartime, that’s considered a criminal act.

You are ruining JWK and my plan to have Trump impeached… Stop the lawyer talk! Let’s put armed troops on the border and consider mining the border!

johnwk2 · 2018-06-20T11:15:54.453Z

CassandraJoe:

johnwk2:

And how many American citizens are killed by illegal entrants? How many American citizens have their property stolen by illegal entrants? How many children of American citizens are raped by illegal entrants?

There is an invasion taking place and President Trump needs to use his emergency powers and order the National Guard to forcefully stop the invasion at our borders.

JWK

So…if I read you correctly, you want the President to call out the National Guard to shoot down unarmed women and children, as well as men, for stepping across the border?

Even in wartime, that’s considered a criminal act.

You apparently need to take a 4th grade remedial reading class.

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

johnwk2 · 2018-06-20T11:18:08.025Z

johnwk2:

You apparently need to take a 4th grade remedial reading class.

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

CassandraJoe:

johnwk2:

And how many American citizens are killed by illegal entrants? How many American citizens have their property stolen by illegal entrants? How many children of American citizens are raped by illegal entrants?

There is an invasion taking place and President Trump needs to use his emergency powers and order the National Guard to forcefully stop the invasion at our borders.

JWK

So…if I read you correctly, you want the President to call out the National Guard to shoot down unarmed women and children, as well as men, for stepping across the border?

You apparently need to take a 4th grade remedial reading class.
JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.

DougBH · 2018-06-20T11:19:52.836Z

johnwk2:

BlueTex:

I think this is a fantastic idea! Perhaps we could even mine the border… Don’t sugar coat your word JWK… “physically prevent”? Be a man call for outright shoot on site orders!

If Trump orders the National Guard to prevent foreigners from illegally crossing our borders, there is no separation of families. I thought that’s what you wanted.

JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country and making the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.

No. They want open borders and a guaranteed Democrat majority forever.