WuWei
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Yes. Males are not women.
So males and females need to prove it before you’ll address them as such? A woman with hirsutism, male pattern body and facial hair, and body habitus will be referred to using male pronouns?
I’m sure everyone but me has never run into a situation in which you didn’t know if a person was a male or female. I’m sure everyone but me has never addressed a female as a male or male as a female and been corrected. I’m sure everyone but me has continued to use an assumed pronoun after being corrected.
I guess people don’t interact with people they don’t know very often.
Guvnah
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And because of that, Kamala (original subject of the thread) needs to tell us she’s female and tell us the pronouns we should use.
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Why not? Again, why does a preferred pronoun make people upset but not a preferred name? Is it because a pronoun may denote gender and unless that pronoun matches an assumed gender it makes people uncomfortable? Or is it simply the idea of gender and gender specific pronouns that make people uncomfortable? Or that people of a presumed gender shouldn’t confirm their gender specific pronoun?
I don’t get it.
WuWei
128
You don’t get to dictate my grammar.
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You’re correct. You can use whatever grammar you want. Preferred pronouns aren’t about you. Using non-preferred pronouns despite knowing a person’s preferred pronouns is all about you, however.
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WuWei
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No, it’s about grammar. A male who feeeeels like a woman is not a woman, he’s a male.
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WuWei
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It’s also disrespectful to actual women.
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Is using a male pronoun when addressing a woman disrespectful to women? Or is it only disrespectful to women when a male is addressed using a female pronoun? Can a male be disrespected by pronouns? How do you verify “fake” males and females so you know their pronouns aren’t disrespectful to “actual” ones?
So they need to prove which genitals they have before you’ll use a gender specific pronoun?
Guvnah
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I explained it in my post prior to the one you quoted.
And … upset?
Why are you upset that people find this whole pronoun-shifting wokeness idiotic?
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Why is it idiotic? It removes ambiguity in conversation. I’d rather know how a person prefers to be addressed and move on than worry about what body parts they have. If their preferred pronoun seems to match what body parts I think they have, who cares? If their preferred pronoun doesn’t seem to match what body parts I think they have, who cares? I’m not going to fret over a perceived mismatch in pronouns and body parts. I guess that’s a big issue for some. Not sure why.
Guvnah
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How 1984-is of you. When “preference” defies fact, it adds ambiguity. Or at least idiocy.
You didn’t answer my question.
Why does it upset you that people don’t see it the way you do?
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How quaint. I’ll decide what pronouns to use based on what I perceive and what I’m comfortable with. It doesn’t matter what they want or even if what pronouns I use are correct. I’m not going to let someones preference interfere in my ability to make judgement on a person’s gender pronouns. In fact, I’ll take offense if someone even mentions a preferred pronoun.
It’s all amount me, my perception and not having to deal with an uncomfortable situation.
I’m not upset people feel this way, I just can’t find a valid reason for it. Like I just said it boils down to “I’m going to decide what pronouns I use. I don’t care what they want. I’m going to make preferred pronouns about me.”
JayJay
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Of course that’s what this is all about.
