Why do you folks trust government so much?

[Jezcoe]

@altair1013

@PurpnGold

@altair1013

No. But pretty much all of government has been ruined by politics. There are some exceptions. I think the FDA does pretty good work. Same with the TSA.

Why weren’t you this nuanced in your OP?

Because the FDA and TSA are not seeking control over my personal decisions. They are not out to change my life. They are not the rulers. Fear the rulers. Put them in their place.

I am pretty friendly with a hippie apple grower up here in Maine that would have major disagreements about the FDA with you.

It is the reason that he sells Apple Cider Vinegar instead of unpasteurized Apple Cider.

[biggestal99]

@altair1013

The entire democratic party was in on it. ALL OF THEM! Remember they had an investigation? Did you forget?

So this wasn’t the govt but a political party trying to win an election.

Hint political parties and candidates lie all the time in an attempt to win votes.

Demonize the other side a tried and true vote getter.

Hint both sides do it.

Allan

[Rurudyne]

Oh, but after a century and a half of getting it all wrong FDR and his cronies rescued governance by constitutional means from the hands of lawlessness dating back to the framers themselves! /s

Faithfulness and fidelity doesn’t first (and faithlessness or infidelity last) under your little sky, does it?

[Jezcoe]

@Rurudyne

Oh, but after a century and a half of getting it all wrong FDR and his cronies rescued governance by constitutional means from the hands of lawlessness dating back to the framers themselves! /s

Faithfulness and fidelity doesn’t first (and unfaithfulness last) under your little sky, does it?

When looking at the political realities that FDR was up against, he did pretty well overall.

We didn’t descend into a Fascist Ethno-Nationalist State that was becoming all the rage at the time even though we were really primed for it.

[Rurudyne]

He betrayed his oath, betrayed the nation, and installed the cancer of Arbitrary government is the service of so-called “progressivism” that is destroying us now.

Being effective at doing wrong isn’t being good.

[Jezcoe]

@Rurudyne

He betrayed his oath, betrayed the nation, and installed the cancer of Arbitrary government is the service of so-called “progressivism” that is destroying us now.

Being effective at doing wrong isn’t being good.

Absolutists never really win in the end, they get bowled over by the pragmatists.

[Rurudyne]

You don’t have to be a lawless scumbag to be a pragmatist.

If the arguments for what you want to do are soooo good and irrefutable there is a way to lawfully secure power to do them. But being honorable is for losers if you’re FDR and company.

[Cratic3947]

@Jezcoe

@altair1013

@Jezcoe

What did I say that was wrong?

Normal people are just sick to death of racial politics. False flag racism, systemic fake news. All of it. I often point out the hypocrisy of racial politics and I’m even starting to get sick of myself.I

Dude. It’s what happened.

It is part of the story.

Just because one may be “sick” of hearing about doesn’t changed why it came about.

If you want to frame prohibition as solely a progressive desire then it would be wrong.

There was also a well documented push of nativism driven by fears of demographic shifts that wanted to exclude immigrants and non Protestants from the “Anglo-Saxon” utopia that they believed the US to be.

We are talking about a movement that gained real steam during the Woodrow Wilson administration, which was possibly the most overtly racist and nativist post Civil War Administration in our country’s history.

Yes,Woodrow Wilson was a Southern democrat. With income tax he put us on all on the plantation… He’s a major democrat hero even today. Lied to get us into WW1.

[Cratic3947]

@Jezcoe

@Rurudyne

Oh, but after a century and a half of getting it all wrong FDR and his cronies rescued governance by constitutional means from the hands of lawlessness dating back to the framers themselves! /s

Faithfulness and fidelity doesn’t first (and unfaithfulness last) under your little sky, does it?

When looking at the political realities that FDR was up against, he did pretty well overall.

We didn’t descend into a Fascist Ethno-Nationalist State that was becoming all the rage at the time even though we were really primed for it.

Sorry, FDR was just another strong man fascist like so many from that era from Stalin to Hitler. He was just the American version, thus running 4 times and trying to stack the courts…

[fallenturtle]

@altair1013

@fallenturtle

Why should BLM’s mission statement have an influence on whether or not I trust the US government?

They shouldn’t. But half of the government supports the BLM lie. Have you notice BLM has been pretty silent lately? Have blacks stopped being killed?

Where are you getting “half the government supports the BLM lie”? Was there a survey or something?

Also, there is no BLM lie. You just don’t like their name. This is like referring to the Humane Society “lie” because they don’t care about the inhumane treatment of sweat shop workers.

[fallenturtle]

@altair1013

@fallenturtle

Do you assume we place the same amount of trust in the words that come out of a congress person’s mouth to a scientific study put out by the CDC?

No. But pretty much all of government has been ruined by politics. There are some exceptions. I think the FDA does pretty good work. Same with the TSA.

Can you really say something is ruined when its always been that way?

[fallenturtle]

@altair1013

@biggestal99

@altair1013

They said that Trump had a secret agreement with Vlad.

Perhaps you could show the forum the link in which the govt claimed that.

The entire democratic party was in on it. ALL OF THEM! Remember they had an investigation? Did you forget?

Adam Schiff lied about the Trump probe — and the media let him (nypost.com)

The Democratic Party is not the government.

[altair1013]

@Jezcoe

Just because one may be “sick” of hearing about doesn’t changed why it came about.

Yeah. We know why it came about. Talking about it 60 years later for the 4 millionth time won’t change it. Obsess if you want. But why?

[altair1013]

@biggestal99

Hint both sides do it.

Hint. Did you approve of the dems promoting this lie? This SPECIFIC lie? If so why.

[Jezcoe]

@Cratic3947

Yes,Woodrow Wilson was a Southern democrat. With income tax he put us on all on the plantation… He’s a major democrat hero even today. Lied to get us into WW1.

Woodrow Wilson is a “major Democrat hero” the same way that Andrew Jackson is… in that he is not.

[LeroyBrown]

@altair1013

The entire democratic party was in on it. ALL OF THEM! Remember they had an investigation? Did you forget?

Adam Schiff lied about the Trump probe — and the media let him (nypost.com)

This doesn’t prove that the Democratic Party en massed said Trump had a secret agreement with Vlad. The claim was collusion with Russia. The report showed that members of the Trump Campaign did meet with various Russians but there was no collusion or collaboration because collusion was not investigated and the timing for collaboration didn’t happen.

[tzu]

I trust public participation in public affairs, even when decisions go against my personal desire, more than privatized centralization.

Until we stop being apes, this is the least worst course.

[gooddad409]

@altair1013

@Jezcoe

@Jezcoe

I know. And we climb into that time machine and revisit it every day. Twice on Sunday.

You are the one who brought up Prohibition.

I did not. You are mistaken. Try again.

I asked why people put so much trust in government. My question has been largely ignored.

That’s because your question struck a nerve.

[fallenturtle]

@gooddad409

@altair1013

@Jezcoe

@Jezcoe

I know. And we climb into that time machine and revisit it every day. Twice on Sunday.

You are the one who brought up Prohibition.

I did not. You are mistaken. Try again.

I asked why people put so much trust in government. My question has been largely ignored.

That’s because your question struck a nerve.

He didn’t strike a nerve with his question, he just undermined it with his list of examples, some of which didn’t even involve the government.

The answer to his question isn’t simple. Parts of the government are more trust worthy than other parts and that amount of trust is not a static thing either.

[wayoutwest]

@altair1013

Government has not proved themselves to be any more trustworthy than your average used car salesman.

You are mistaken. Quote from the OP above.

With that statement, @altair1013 is disparaging ‘Government’ and then directly relates them to “your average used car salesman”. In other words, he has said “Government is not trustworthy, and neither is your average used car salesman.”

@mwevans1234 then threw that back in his face by positively commenting about @Smyrna character and trustworthiness. Those were compliments… I am honestly unclear how you can interpret any other manner.

But to me, the real kicker is that you then took it upon yourself to further disparage @smyrna by suggesting he interpreted the post incorrectly. He did not… you did.