Why do we need a Jan 6 commission?

[NJBob]

@WuWei

I can’t shoot an unarmed woman for climbing on furniture.

Perfect.

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

Indeed. But in order to use lethal force, lethal force has to be at least threatened

Put that screaming mob at your own front door. The door just broke and the first one enters your home. The rest are hot on her tail. She is not armed. Do you shoot?

Congressmen don’t live in the 'Mocracy Temple.

Irrelevant. They occupy it.

[WorldWatcher]

@WuWei

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

Indeed. But in order to use lethal force, lethal force has to be at least threatened

Put that screaming mob at your own front door. The door just broke and the first one enters your home. The rest are hot on her tail. She is not armed. Do you shoot?

Congressmen don’t live in the 'Mocracy Temple.

You live in Texas right?

Under Texas Code Title 2 Chapter 8 Subsection C use of force requires:

#1 Neither a direct indication that the person will use “leathel” force (a means of killing the actor (i.e. shooter) or possess a firearm and it does not have to be the place you live. You can use self-defense in your place of business.

Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor’s belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor’s habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;
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Note #1: The use of “or” at the end of (C), that means any one qualifies, it dies not have to be all three.

Note #2: Any reasonable person can reasonably believe that rioters climbing through a police barricade and verbally instructed not to breach the barricade or they would be shot, and then proceeded to breach the barricade intended bodily harm to the law enforcement officer or other in the vicinity.

WW

[Guntsu]

This is one reason, friendly neighborhood state rep giving instructions on on how to breach the building…I mean sure this was just a State Capitol

Rep. Mike Nearman coached constituents how to breach Oregon Capitol with "Operation Hall Pass"

Rep. Mike Nearman, criminally charged for opening Capitol to armed...

[gooddad409]

@Samm

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

One was said, one is your mythology. You know there were protesters who reportedly assisted the police.

And there were a lot that weren’t.

The three officers who left had people screaming ■■■■ the blue at them while another dude was punching the windows that they were standing in front of.

There is even video of it.

■■■■ the cops is not a threat to injure or kill cops. Neither is breaking windows.

You are really reaching … its pathetic.

They didn’t mind that sort of language directed at cops all last year did they?

Supreme Hypocrisy.

[WuWei]

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

@FloridaYankee

@WuWei

Indeed. But in order to use lethal force, lethal force has to be at least threatened

Put that screaming mob at your own front door. The door just broke and the first one enters your home. The rest are hot on her tail. She is not armed. Do you shoot?

Congressmen don’t live in the 'Mocracy Temple.

Irrelevant. They occupy it.

Completely relevant. I can’t even carry at work.

[WuWei]

@WorldWatcher

and verbally instructed not to breach the barricade or they would be shot

Not.
…

[WuWei]

Now look up lethal force.

[WorldWatcher]

@WuWei

Now look up lethal force.

Sec. 9.33. DEFENSE OF THIRD PERSON. A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect a third person if:

(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or 9.32 in using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and

(2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

WW

[WuWei]

@WorldWatcher

unlawful force or unlawful deadly force

Nope. Not force against furniture.

[WorldWatcher]

@WuWei

@WorldWatcher

unlawful force or unlawful deadly force

Nope. Not force against furniture.

Good thing force against furniture wasn’t the problem.

Babbitt committed suicide by breaking through a law enforcement barricade during a riot in an attempt to gain access to others and stopping them from doing the Constitutional duty. Due to the fact that there was a riot going on and the perpetrators used force to break through the barrier, a reasonable person would conclude that continued force was to be expected causing death or bodily injury to those the office had sworn to protect.

The actions of the rioters and Babbitt herself set the stage, the officer was forced to react.

WW

[WuWei]

@WorldWatcher

@WuWei

@WorldWatcher

unlawful force or unlawful deadly force

Nope. Not force against furniture.

Good thing force against furniture wasn’t the problem.

Babbitt committed suicide by breaking through a law enforcement barricade during a riot in an attempt to gain access to others and stopping them from doing the Constitutional duty. Due to the fact that there was a riot going on and the perpetrators used force to break through the barrier, a reasonable person would conclude that continued force was to be expected causing death or bodily injury to those the office had sworn to protect.

The actions of the rioters and Babbitt herself set the stage, the officer was forced to react.

WW

She was an unarmed women who presented no threat of force, much less lethal force to anybody.

[WuWei]

@WorldWatcher

The actions of the rioters and Babbitt herself set the stage, the officer was forced to react.

And the rioters? He didn’t shoot “and the rioters”.

[WorldWatcher]

@WuWei

@WorldWatcher

The actions of the rioters and Babbitt herself set the stage, the officer was forced to react.

And the rioters? He didn’t shoot “and the rioters”.

After the officer shot Babbitt for breaching the barricade and attempting to get at those the officer was sworn to protect, the other rioters didn’t attempt to advance. Shortly after the SWAT Team arrived and secured the area in front of the barricade.

I wish they had arrived 3-minutes earlier, they my have been able to prevent Babbitt from committing suicide by cop.

WW

[WuWei]

@WorldWatcher

the other rioters didn’t attempt to advance.

Not true. The insurrectionists stopped when the SWAT came up the stairs.

[WorldWatcher]

@WuWei

@WorldWatcher

the other rioters didn’t attempt to advance.

Not true. The insurrectionists stopped when the SWAT came up the stairs.

I didn’t say they left or stopped rioting. But between Babbitt getting shot for climbing through the window and the time the SWAT Team arrived - no more individuals attempted to breach the Barricade.

That shows the officer didn’t panic and showed self restraint. He fired only when a clear and present danger was presented and only to the extend necessary. Since no more rioters attempted to breach the barricade he held his fire.

Good job on his part.

WW

[WuWei]

Horrible job on his part. He shot into his relief. He killed an unarmed citizen. He shot the woman in a crowd of men.

[WorldWatcher]

@WuWei

Horrible job on his part. He shot into his relief. He killed an unarmed citizen. He shot the woman in a crowd of men.

He deserves a medal for his action and restraint.

Did anyone check her pockets? She may have had some skittles.

As to “He shot the woman in a crowd of men.” That is incorrect. He shot the ONLY person that was climbing through the window over the barricade. Men wouldn’t have let a woman take that lead.

WW

[Camp]

They were outnumbered at that point by PD.

[WuWei]

@WorldWatcher

@WuWei

Horrible job on his part. He shot into his relief. He killed an unarmed citizen. He shot the woman in a crowd of men.

He deserves a medal for his action and restraint.

Did anyone check her pockets? She may have had some skittles.

As to “He shot the woman in a crowd of men.” That is incorrect. He shot the ONLY person that was climbing through the window over the barricade. Men wouldn’t have let a woman take that lead.

WW

The Army doesn’t give out medals for killing women by shooting at your own team. I don’t know about police.