Why Didn't POTUS Convene Congress?

RTchoke · 2019-01-02T01:41:46.968Z

Why didn’t the previous Presidents convene Congress during the shutdown?

We have established your qualifier is not really a requirement to do so.

We are discussing Trump not doing so. What makes him not doing it so much worse than anyone previously not doing it?

Safiel · 2019-01-02T01:41:55.942Z

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.
The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.
The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-01-02T01:45:27.672Z

Donald Trump isn’t very experienced or savvy with respect to running a large public organization. We shouldn’t expect him to solve problems or influence people to work with him.

RTchoke · 2019-01-02T01:47:04.421Z

Safiel:

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.

The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.

The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

Thank you for the concise explanation.

Zander · 2019-01-02T03:22:07.856Z

Safiel:

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.

The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.

The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

Thank you.

WorldWatcher · 2019-01-02T03:37:36.100Z

Safiel:

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.

The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.

The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

Thank you.

(I still think it’s ■■■■■■■■ for Congress to run away while employees are out of work for politics.)

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Safiel · 2019-01-02T04:18:31.911Z

WorldWatcher:

Safiel:

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.

The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.

The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

Thank you.

(I still think it’s ■■■■■■■■ for Congress to run away while employees are out of work for politics.)

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Pragmatically, it is necessary. They know nothing will pass in this Congress and the new Congress is rapidly approaching.

Departing Members of Congress are required to vacate their office space by December 14th and most of their staff are gone by now. Much of the Congressional staff is on vacation. New Members of Congress are setting up their offices and are taking orientation classes.

Simply put, the mechanics right now would make it all but impossible for the Congress to conduct any legislative business right now.

LucyLou · 2019-01-02T05:39:44.709Z

Thanks, Safiel.

Konssurvative1 · 2019-01-02T05:54:08.918Z

Because he needed them to not convene, so he could continue to rail on them, and shut down the government. He couldn’t convene congress. It goes against his tail wagging the dog narrative.

zantax · 2019-01-02T07:36:06.307Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Donald Trumbo isn’t very experienced or savvy with respect to running a large public organization. We shouldn’t expect him to solve problems or influence people to work with him.

Well hey, at least he didn’t bill himself as an expert on constitutional law and then pretend he had the power to declare congress wasn’t in session and have the Supreme Court spank his bottom, like Obama did.

LouC · 2019-01-02T12:04:21.362Z

I thought that Congress had technically never recessed?

LouC · 2019-01-02T12:07:56.305Z

zantax:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Donald Trumbo isn’t very experienced or savvy with respect to running a large public organization. We shouldn’t expect him to solve problems or influence people to work with him.

Well hey, at least he didn’t bill himself as an expert on constitutional law and then pretend he had the power to declare congress wasn’t in session and have the Supreme Court spank his bottom, like Obama did.

What President Obama did doesn’t eliminate nor erase his being an expert on Constitutional Law, it merely shows he, like most every President in my lifetime, trying to go beyond Constitutional Law in pushing the Presidential power envelope.

LouC · 2019-01-02T12:10:39.643Z

Safiel:

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.

The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.

The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

Thanks for the details of what I knew was happening.

I wondered about that in that, did, Mitch and Paul leave D.C. in that manner to keep Donald from trying any recess appointments?

LouC · 2019-01-02T12:12:52.460Z

mobiusptc:

RTchoke:

mobiusptc:

RTchoke:

OK. So, that not being a prerequisite, why did none of the others convene Congress?

Because most of them did not have the same party in control…

So there is a qualifier.

I however do not see that being needed in the OP.

Or we could go that trump has all of the qualities of a Carter presidency without any of the redeeming features like being a good person

Bazinga!!!

mollyBrown · 2019-01-02T13:13:37.178Z

zantax:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Donald Trumbo isn’t very experienced or savvy with respect to running a large public organization. We shouldn’t expect him to solve problems or influence people to work with him.

Well hey, at least he didn’t bill himself as an expert on constitutional law and then pretend he had the power to declare congress wasn’t in session and have the Supreme Court spank his bottom, like Obama did.

No worries there. There is no way Trump will ever be considered a constitutional law expert by sane people.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-01-02T13:28:50.892Z

mollyBrown:

No worries there. There is no way Trump will ever be considered a constitutional law expert by sane people.

I wonder what historians will say that Donald Trump is an expert on. Insulting and belittling people? Hiding money? Lying?

LouC · 2019-01-02T14:02:33.983Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

mollyBrown:

No worries there. There is no way Trump will ever be considered a constitutional law expert by sane people.

I wonder what historians will say that Donald Trump is an expert on. Insulting and belittling people? Hiding money? Lying?

Chaos!!!

That is what will be Fat Donald’s legacy.

Sowing the seeds of chaos wherever he goes.

The man is a natural disaster walking.

markdido · 2019-01-02T22:32:22.181Z

RTchoke:

Safiel:

The President can only do this when:

The Congress is in an intersession adjournment.

The Congress is in final sine die adjournment.

The Congress has entered an intra-session recess greater than 3 days.

None of these conditions exist. Congress is IN session, merely holding pro forma sessions every three days as required.

Trump cannot convene Congress.

Thank you for the concise explanation.

Which will be ignored by the usual suspects because… facts

dantes · 2019-01-03T01:37:13.976Z

I don’t know that in other shutdowns Congress ever left town like they did here.

Up until today, there had basically been no discussions on reopening the government.

It’s pretty weird.

RTchoke · 2019-01-03T01:42:57.225Z

That is on Congress. They chose to leave.