Why are we so bad at fighting the virus?

Jamerican · 2020-07-19T00:27:16.286Z

JayJay:

Not 100% sure this is true.

The same mistakes made during Spanish flu pandemic in 1918-1920 here in America mirror the mistakes we’re doing right now. There is a really good documentary that came out a couple of years ago. The comparisons between now and then are very similar and the common denominator was piss poor leadership, ignoring warnings from public health officials/doctors/scientist and reopening back to normalcy too soon.

Konssurvative1 · 2020-07-19T00:27:22.167Z

That is the problem with being a leader. You are responsible for the bad that happens and you are responsible for the good that doesn’t happen…But if good things happen, you are simply doing your job. So you work your ass off to make sure that bad things don’t happen and when they do, you work even harder to make sure you get it fixed as quickly as you can.

This is where I have seen Trump fail. If he is responsible all around…then you never take off, you never give in, you never disappear, you work and you work and you work until it is taken care of.

CanadianJudo · 2020-07-19T00:27:44.865Z

The death rate for children is like 0.02%

that is 14,000 kids.

ResPrivita · 2020-07-19T00:28:32.366Z

thinkingman:

does that matter if kids dont hardly get the disease and if they do death rate is nearly 0 and if they dont transmit it to adults?

I’m sorry, but the ideal is an intact family unit, including elderly, and infirm, together.
This whole me, me, me, thing.
Come on, little ones will interact with the older, and compromised ones.
This ain’t “Soylent Green” yet baby.

WuWei · 2020-07-19T00:29:04.779Z

Blackwolf:

WuWei:

What did Trump do or say to embolden them?

Already spoke to it in this thread:

Blackwolf:

Downplayed the severity of the virus.
Thought it would “magically disappear.”
Wanted to reduce the level of testing.
Held mass gatherings indoors with no masks required.
Initially said he would never wear a mask, and thought people were doing it as a criticism of him.

Thank you. What did he actually say about the masks?

TommyLucchese · 2020-07-19T00:29:05.739Z

Forcefield:

People look to their leaders in a national crisis for guidance on how best to proceed. Other nation’s leaders didn’t turn it into an issue about themselves. Other nations leaders didn’t say wearing a mask was a way of signaling where your political allegiances lie.

Trump made this about himself, like he does with EVERYTHING. And after promising a roaring economy by Easter, then by July, the administration is now bored with the whole thing and wants to just move on.

It’s Trump’s fault. By his own damn metric.

Remember when he embarrassed himself so badly with that disinfectant nonsense that he didn’t want to hold court at the COVID briefings so he just ended them? Because if he couldn’t joust with the press what was the point? Real leadership.

LucyLou · 2020-07-19T00:29:32.653Z

ResPrivita:

Konssurvative1:

I was responding to why deaths are decreasing.

Daily death rates in Florida trending up?
What up?

Link?

Forcefield · 2020-07-19T00:30:13.052Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Fine, I didn’t say don’t blame Trump at all - but how am I wrong in the rest of my post ?

Obviously you can’t lock people up forcefully here like China and that’s a good thing. Am I wrong when I say we could have done a better job with social distancing ? Even now we still can.

If Republicans weren’t now inexorably tied to the votes of and thus quietly somewhat beholden to the crazy conspiracy wackos, they would be able to encourage their voters to suck it up for a few months, buckle down, wear a mask, keep distance, wash your hands. They weren’t able to do that because of the stupid “freedom” narrative and it hit Florida and Georgia specifically in the ass.

The reason America is ■■■■■■■ this up so bad is because half of the country belong to a party who couldn’t get their head out of their ass for 5 seconds and treat a serious thing like serious adults should. Now we are at 140,000 dead people and they STILL CANT.

TommyLucchese · 2020-07-19T00:30:53.803Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

That’s still his responsibility, not Trump’s.

So I hesitate to pin this entirely on Trump because I do think if each of us or at least an overwhelming majority did follow the guidelines of staying home/social distancing/masking from early March for about six weeks, we’d be in much better shape.

Except for the fact that during that entire time Trump was telling people not to wear masks and not to ■■■■ down and to fight against the lockdown. And the Republicans did.

WuWei · 2020-07-19T00:33:41.887Z

Pay wall.

7ranz · 2020-07-19T00:34:48.306Z

Maybe the rain will stop.

Forcefield · 2020-07-19T00:34:50.085Z

WuWei:

Thank you. What did he actually say about the masks?

President Donald Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he believes that some Americans are wearing masks during the coronavirus pandemic to express their disapproval of him and not as a preventive measure

The president also said his issue with masks was that people sometimes touch them, increasing the risk of infection.

He went on to say he thought that “testing is overrated,”

W_and_C · 2020-07-19T00:34:52.624Z

Forcefield:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Fine, I didn’t say don’t blame Trump at all - but how am I wrong in the rest of my post ?

Obviously you can’t lock people up forcefully here like China and that’s a good thing. Am I wrong when I say we could have done a better job with social distancing ? Even now we still can.

If Republicans weren’t now inexorably tied to the votes of and thus quietly somewhat beholden to the crazy conspiracy wackos, they would be able to encourage their voters to suck it up for a few months, buckle down, wear a mask, keep distance, wash your hands. They weren’t able to do that because of the stupid “freedom” narrative and it hit Florida and Georgia specifically in the ass.

The reason America is ■■■■■■■ this up so bad is because half of the country belong to a party who couldn’t get their head out of their ass for 5 seconds and treat a serious thing like serious adults should. Now we are at 140,000 dead people and they STILL CANT.

If this were as partisan as you say, then only red states/counties would be in bad shape.

ResPrivita · 2020-07-19T00:35:19.654Z

ResPrivita:

Daily death rates in Florida trending up?
What up?

LucyLou:

Link?

Orlando Sentinel – 16 Jul 20

Florida coronavirus deaths grow by record 156; new cases up nearly 14K

Florida reported 13,965 new coronavirus cases and a record 156 new deaths on Thursday, a day that also saw a record increase in new hospitalizations. Statewide, there have now been 315,775 infected…

thinkingman · 2020-07-19T00:35:43.758Z

ResPrivita:

thinkingman:

does that matter if kids dont hardly get the disease and if they do death rate is nearly 0 and if they dont transmit it to adults?

I’m sorry, but the ideal is an intact family unit, including elderly, and infirm, together.
This whole me, me, me, thing.
Come on, little ones will interact with the older, and compromised ones.
This ain’t “Soylent Green” yet baby.

i have no idea what you just said here

Forcefield · 2020-07-19T00:35:56.377Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

If this were as partisan as you say, then only red states/counties would be in bad shape.

No.

All it takes is a handful of people not taking this seriously to spread it. Viruses are annoying like that.

W_and_C · 2020-07-19T00:36:35.479Z

TommyLucchese:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

That’s still his responsibility, not Trump’s.

So I hesitate to pin this entirely on Trump because I do think if each of us or at least an overwhelming majority did follow the guidelines of staying home/social distancing/masking from early March for about six weeks, we’d be in much better shape.

Except for the fact that during that entire time Trump was telling people not to wear masks and not to ■■■■ down and to fight against the lockdown. And the Republicans did.

First of all, no he didn’t do that the “entire time”. Second, it’s still up to people like you and me to be responsible and socially distance no matter what Trump says.

Forcefield · 2020-07-19T00:36:36.744Z

thinkingman:

i have no idea what you just said here

Kid goes to school catches virus goes home and gets grandma sick.

thinkingman · 2020-07-19T00:37:14.173Z

Forcefield:

thinkingman:

i have no idea what you just said here

Kid goes to school catches virus goes home and gets grandma sick.

oh ok

that wont happen

ResPrivita · 2020-07-19T00:37:32.176Z

Children?
The idea isn’t to let Grandma get sick from little jimmy’s juice box, right?
Right?