Who will pay the costs if the thousands in the caravan are allowed on American soil?


#151

Speaking as an NJ resident I would have to agree with you. NJ’s population growth is overwhelmingly due to immigration since so many native born NJ residents either do not have children or have just one child. NJ is ranked #3 in immigration. Over the past 20-30 years taxes and cost of living have gone up substantially. A typical homeowner in NJ can easily have a combined tax burden and cost of living over $100,000 per year! So it is hard to make the case that immigration has been an economic windfall for NJ.


#152

Yes. Some people fall for it when they use their ‘out of context’ one-liners from Scripture.

2Th 3:10

“For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: If any one will not work, let him not eat.”


#153

? Barnabas, sold “some” of his land and brought the money to be used for the poor. Anaias and Sapphira sold “some” of their land lied about the amount they received and kept back some of the money for themselves. They were deceitful.

The statement Peter made clearly shows the free nature of their charity. He said: “While you still owned the land, wasn’t it yours to keep and after you sold it wasn’t the money yours to do with as you liked?” Their sin was lying, not in the amount they donated.

Scripture also makes clear that the early disciples did not sell all they had and put the money into a common fund from which they all share. They gave when a need arose. Period!


#154

There was a time in our country when everyone, even the unemployed, were expected and required to contribute an equal share in meeting the expenses of government. A wonderful example of this principle is exhibited in the public laws of Maryland’s Dorchester County, under which all able bodied residents of the county above twenty and under fifty years of age were

“compelled to labor two days at least in every year in repairing the roads of said county, with the privilege, however, of furnishing a substitute or paying to the road supervisors seventy-five cents for each day such person may be summoned to labor, the money thus paid to be expended in repairing the roads.”

And the law went on to indicate that “anyone neglecting or refusing to perform such labor, or to provide a substitute, or to pay seventy-five cents per day for each and every day he may be summoned to work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon trial and conviction before a Justice of the Peace, shall be fined seventy-five cents for each day`s delinquency and costs, and shall stand committed until the fine and costs are paid.”___ SEE SHORT vs. STATE OF MARYLAND, decided February 27th, 1895, upholding the law and not violating (a) the 13th or 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, or (b) the 40th section of Art. 3 of the Constitution of Maryland.

And yet, here we are today with countless factions seeking to manipulate income taxation so as to relieve their identifiable group from its burden, while creating various other groups upon who the burden is placed. And it is well worth to note that in many instances, those who do not share in financing the expenses of government are actually rewarded and allowed to feed from the public trough. How sad and discouraging it is to hear the cries and well-rehearsed arguments and excuses of those who today support and promote such tyranny. A tyranny under which the force of government is used to transfer the property of one group of citizens to another, which is carried out under the cloak of taxation. But keep in mind, there is no magic wand in the force of government which changes the definition of theft!

JWK

“To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes, is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation.”____ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875).


#155

The new bill is another scam! It fazed out beds for detainees and does not keep up with the predicted increase in invaders.

Do not cave on this bill!

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.


#156

There’s no fundamental difference between Bellamy’s pledge and the pledge as it stands today.

You think it fundamentally changes the meaning because they removed the possessive and then explicitly named the country?

It does not.


#157

It doesn’t phase out beds. Dems didn’t get what they wanted on that.


#158

Last time I checked, two days ago, open border Democrats capped the number of beds, effectively codifying catch and release. With the recent increase due to caravans, the existing number of beds are inadequate and will not keep up with the surge at our border.

JWK

Do you really want single payer government operated health-care? Move into public housing [the projects], live there for a year, and then make your decision.


#159

That’s what they wanted…and its purpose was not to “codify catch and release” but to get Trump to focus on the most dangerous illegals for deportation instead of the more general “snatch and grab everyone” approach he was favoring.

But obviously you haven’t checked recently…because the cap did not make the final deal that will be voted on.


#160

I’m curious, how many people from the past caravans made it into our country?


#161

Trump will tell us Mexico is going to pay for it. Trumpists will believe him the rest of us will write a check.


#162

and Trump didnt all the money he wanted for the wall.

aka compromise.

some people dont like compromise but with a divided congress methinks the next two years will be full off them.

Allan


#163

Had there been an adequate barrier/wall, there would not have been very many!

JWK

In every communist dictatorial oppressive country, like Cuba, the people are disarmed. Forewarned is forearmed.


#164

Convenient that you didn’t answer the question. How many made it in?


#165

:roll_eyes:

Stop for a moment and think what you are asking. Do you realize the absurdity of the question?

JWK

The Democrat and Republican Leadership have conspired, for 35 years, to keep the border opened, and today’s Bill continues to allow and encourage illegal border crossings.


#166

But you’re begging the question. You’re the one assuming the premise that there was a large increase due to the caravan. So yes, I realize the absurdity of the question, but you miss the irony in asking me that. Show your work.


#167

Free everything to Illegals! and Refugees!

Now a days it seems like these people have more rights
than Americans. Well, at least the Republican Conservative Americans
anyways. lol.


#168

But What about the Cost of the Wall!!! it’s billions of dollars!

Compared to saving lives, less sex trafficking of women, less
addiction of illegal drugs.

Where’s the downside here, and why are the Liberal Democrat Polticians
fighting against these things?


#169

There was a time not too long ago in New York when the able-bodied were ashamed to accept home relief, a program created by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1931 when he was Governor. Now, New York City and many other major cities are infested with countless government cheese factions from impoverished countries, who not only demand welfare, but use it to buy beer, wine, drugs, sex, and Lotto tickets.

JWK

"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, [illegal entrants who have invaded America’s borders], to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes, is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____ Savings and Loan Association v.Topeka,(1875).


#170

Americans paying to support Illegals and Refugees.

Just another thing forced by the Democrat Politicians on the American people.