Who will pay the costs if the thousands in the caravan are allowed on American soil?


#131

lol - Where were you for the caravans that have come up each of the last 10-15 years?

I wonder what has changed to make you so fearful and hateful this time around… Hmmmm… Whatever could it be?


#132

Oh, I’m not hateful at all. I wish them well and that they have a safe journey home.

And that the word is spread that it is of no benefit to them to attack our borders and attempt to break our laws. We now have a President who will stand up to them.


#133

lol - Well you must be terrified of all the evil doers from the previous caravans that President Obama snuck in without letting you know about them.

It’s a wonder we’re all still alive man.


#134

:roll_eyes:

Political stunt? Had President Trump not deployed troops to the southern border to reinforced the border “fence”, we would have been bum rushed with thousands upon thousands of disease infected, criminals and the poverty stricken populations of central America, the cost of which would have been far greater.

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK

:roll_eyes:

JWK


#135

Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995

Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department’s Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County’s assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.

Impacts on San Diego County

In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

Welfare Costs.

When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.

Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.

Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

Criminal justice.

A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.

Education.

Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.


And, more recently see:

Illegal aliens cost California billions

2004

”Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.”

Also see: Testimony about "51 Florida Hospitals in trouble" due to illegal aliens expenses:

Jun 10, 2008

”No need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units!!!”

Then take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

Aug 19, 2010

Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.

And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

May 6, 2013

”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”

And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nation’s population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014

Mar 2015

”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”


There comes a time when the evidence concerning the general welfare of the United States can no longer be ignored, at least not by those who are deeply concerned about the well-being of the United States.

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK


#136

I read somewhere this woman has 5 children with her. How is she going to support 5 children with unskilled labor in this country?

This is the picture to MSM is using for the appeal to pity.


#137

Well, I won’t be fooled into feeling bad about our government tear-gassing this mother and her children.

Not falling for that old trick. Stone cold baby.


#138

More to the point, how is she going to finance the birth of five more children while on American soil?

Shock report: US paying more for illegal immigrant births than Trump’s wall

October 09, 2018

”The new report reveals that women in the United States illegally had 297,000 children in 2014 at a cost of $2.4 billion. “

”That is $800 million more than the Senate has approved for Trump’s border wall this year and enough to pay for the wall over 10 years.”

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


#139

Her name is Maria Lila Meza Castro she is 40 years old cannot speak English and it has been reported she has between 2-5 children.

She will probably recieve asylum and then immediately will apply for Wik, Medicaid, section 8 housing etc…

Those who lecture us wanting a bigger social safety net are doing there best to overburden the current ones set up for American citizens. They want miss Castro here as a potential future democrat voter regardless of the burden to taxpayers and if you disagree with them your then labeled a bigot.

I would have more respect for them if they sponsored her and her children and agreed to pay all the costs. If you were to sponsor and immigrant or get married to one from another country your legally financially responsible for them so they don’t become a burden on taxpayers. But illegally it doesn’t apply.


#140

And what about the big picture involving deadly diseases which infect many of those “refugees” looking to set foot on American soil legally or illegally? Who will bear the costs in either situation?

See Central American Caravan Poses Serious Public Health Threat; TB, Dengue, Chikungunya

NOVEMBER 01, 2018

”Just this week a mainstream newspaper reported on the health crisis created by the influx of Venezuelans fleeing to neighboring countries. The migrants are spreading malaria, yellow fever, diphtheria, dengue, tuberculosis and AIDS throughout South America. Many of the diseases had been considered eradicated in the neighboring Latin American countries, according to government officials cited in the article, which states that “contagion from Venezuela’s economic meltdown is starting to spread to neighboring countries—not financially, but literally, in the form of potentially deadly diseases carried among millions of refugees.” As an example, the story reveals that “measles reappeared with a vengeance” in a Brazilian city near the Venezuelan border that had declared the highly contagious airborne disease “vanquished” nearly two decades ago.”

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


#141

Excellent post!

JWK

Thank you Gino from the Bronx for TELLING Rush Limbaugh like it is ___ we will not surrender our “conservative title” to left-wing Lizards or Fifth Column activists!


#142

Seconded

5kids


#143

The Democrat Party Leadership needs to stop its obstructionism and vote in favor of financing the wall!

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK


#144

63%

That’s too ■■■■■■■ high!!

Obscure reference to a movie.


#145

In addition to being a 4-year old “study,” it was done by the Center for Immigration Studies.

The Center for Immigration Studies ( CIS ) is a right-partisan,[3]non-profit organization and think tank[4] “that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views.”[5]


#146

It was done using census numbers. Going to bitch about that too?

Too bad you chose to complain about the source instead of trying to refute the data used.

I guess your tactic is easier.


#147

we haven’t had a census since 2010.

The “source” is highly questionable. Therefore the “data used” is also highly questionable.

Don’t forget to breathe.


#148

Data Source. Data for this analysis comes from the public-use file of the 2014 Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), which is the newest SIPP data available.2 The SIPP is a longitudinal dataset consisting of a series of “panels”. Each panel is a nationally representative sample of U.S. households that is followed over several years. The survey was redesigned for 2013 with 2014 as the second wave of the new panel. We use the 2014 SIPP for this analysis. Like all Census surveys of this kind, welfare use is based on self-reporting in the SIPP, and as such there is some misreporting in the survey. All means and percentages are calculated using weights provided by the Census Bureau.

I’m breathing just fine.


#149

Why Use the SIPP? The SIPP is ideally suited for studying welfare programs because, unlike other Census surveys that measure welfare, the SIPP was specifically designed for this purpose. As the Census Bureau states on its website, the purpose of the SIPP is to "provide accurate and comprehensive information about the income and program participation of individuals and households."3 In addition to the SIPP, the only other government surveys that identify immigrants and at the same time measure welfare use for the entire population are the American Community Survey (ACS) and the Current Population Survey’s Annual Social and Economic Supplement, often abbreviated as CPS ASEC or just ASEC. The ACS is a very large survey, but only asks about a few programs. The ASEC is released on a more timely basis than the SIPP and asks about more programs than the ACS, but it does not include the EITC; the ASEC also is not specifically designed to capture receipt of welfare programs. As we discuss at length in a prior study published in 2015, based on 2012 SIPP data, there is general agreement among researchers that the SIPP does a better job of capturing welfare use than other Census Bureau surveys, including the ASEC and ACS.4 More recent analysis confirms this conclusion.5


#150

Don’t waste your time. Their game is always attacking the source and not the facts.

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK