Who will pay the costs if the thousands in the caravan are allowed on American soil?


#91

We aren’t discussing legal immigrants but if you don’t know the difference by know, you’re too far gone in the indoctrination. keep bleating the talking points like the good l’il sheeple you are.


#92

Yeah, the state will issue a birth certificate…


#93

have Trump golf three less times a year?

have Melania not pay for hotels she does sleep at?


#94

You have no idea of the devastating effects which unbridled immigration has inflicted upon the Citizens of the United States.

Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995

Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department’s Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County’s assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.

Impacts on San Diego County

In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

Welfare Costs.

When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.

Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.

Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

Criminal justice.

A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.

Education.

Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.


And, more recently see:

Illegal aliens cost California billions

2004

”Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.”

Also see: Testimony about "51 Florida Hospitals in trouble" due to illegal aliens expenses:

Jun 10, 2008

”No need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units!!!”

Then take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

Aug 19, 2010

Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.

And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

May 6, 2013

”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”

And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nation’s population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014

Mar 2015

”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”


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Now, the question is, do you support an America first immigration policy which is merit based and forbids "immigrants" from receiving government cheese for at least five years?

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America’s borders.

That’s not a very clever dodge. You did write “…those who are admitted will likely pay for themselves within a few years.” But keep up the fear mongering. "

And now you ignore the evidence showing the devastating social and economic consequences of unbridled immigration.

:roll_eyes:

JWK
American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


#95

The thread is about the caravan. My post was clearly about the people that are allowed to stay from that caravan. They would be here legally. Your comprehension is abysmal. Which goes a long way in explaining your support of Trump.


#96

Your links were/are littered with money spent on illegal immigrants. You’re post are pathetic lies with regard to the caravan, just like Trumps rhetoric and wasting our money on the troop deployment fiasco.

Take your act to a place like N. Korea john. That govt. will support your position on immigrants completely.


#97

Your insulting comment about N. Korea is noted. Aside from that the links I provided apply to legal and illegal immigration.

Why are you so eager to see the United States invaded by thousands upon thousands of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and criminals from Central America?

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


#98

If the truth I posted about N. Korea is insulting to you then maybe you should reconsider your position a little bit.


#99

Instead of posting personal insults, stick to the subject.

Why are you so eager to see the United States invaded by thousands upon thousands of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and criminals from Central America?

JWK


#100

Poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and criminals built this country.


#101

:roll_eyes:

JWK


#102

Truth hurt your fake argument man?


#103

:roll_eyes:

It’s not applicable to what we are talking about.

JWK


#104

The truth? I know man, very little truth in all the fear mongering about the caravan you are trying to drum up.


#105

THIS is not fear mongering. It documents the devastating social and financial consequences of unbridled immigration.

You just do not want to accept the truth.

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America’s borders.


#106

It is completely ridiculous fear mongering with regard to this caravan that is on it’s way up. You can read the title of your thread, can’t you J?


#107

Stating the costs of illegal immigration, which is put upon American citizens, is not fear mongering. It’s stating a fact.

Do you have any idea how much additional money American citizens are paying in healthcare costs because of illegal immigration?

SEE: How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants

"All told, Americans cross-subsidize health care for unauthorized immigrants to the tune of $18.5 billion a year in healthcare costs alone . Of this total, federal taxpayers provided $11.2 billion in subsidized care to unauthorized immigrants in 2016."

So tell me, why is the Democrat Party Leadership not on board with stopping illegal immigration which is costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone? I thought the Democrat Party Leadership wanted to reduce healthcare costs for American citizens.

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


#108

StarLord,

I’m still waiting for you to answer the question.

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America’s borders.


#109

The caravaners are doing a fine job of creating fear mongering all on their own.


#110

Jesus was not a Communist. He freed the Jews from their strict religious and civil laws so that they could worship God freely and directly. We are to be cheerful givers, not dutiful payers like under the Law of Moses. That is nothing like Communism.

Jesus said that to the rich Jews of his day. Jews were not allowed to closely associate with non-Jews/Gentiles, under the law of Moses. Jesus changed all of that. Neighbor helping neighbor. That’s good advise for every neighborhood.

Socialism/Communism is far removed from Scripture.