Who will pay the costs if the thousands in the caravan are allowed on American soil?


#50

Would you care to explain how the pledge in it’s current form are not the words of Bellamy, and further how it’s not attributed to him in pretty much every history book and encyclopedia that addresses the subject. And yes he was in fact a socialist. Yet here we are some nearly 80 years later and adults and children alike putting their hands over their heart and exclaiming the words of a socialist. Lol, wool over your eyes? It appears you dont even understand history.


#51

Soros will pay the costs. It’s all a part of our master plan.


#52

The words posted by Moonshine are not those of Francis Bellamy. Do some research and get back to me.

:roll_eyes:

JWK


#53

If you are going to argue that those arent his words because of two editorial changes, one adding United States Of America, and Eisenhower adding Under God, to say the pledge isnt almost entirely attributed to Bellamy then there is no point keeping this conversation going. You are wasting everyone’s time posting nonsense like that.


#54

francis bellamy is dead


#55


Skank’s dead.


#56

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My statement is factually correct. Get over it. Now, back to the subject of the thread. Who will pay the costs if the thousands in the caravan are allowed on United States soil?

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, our Fifth Column democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating and redistributing the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.


#57

No it wasnt.

And the answer is YOU will pay for them. Get over it.


#58

you are right

he post was factually incorrect

after reading the wholllllllllllllllllllle thing

i realized it was wrong

and i had wasted my time reading it


#59

Baloney. The words posted by Moonshine are not those of Francis Bellamy. You are wrong. Man up and admit you are wrong.

:roll_eyes:

JWK

American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded America’s borders.


#60

yes bellamy said that

its a fact

hides behind treehouse


#61

Quote Bellamy’s words. And then quote our Nation’s pledge of allegiance.

JWK


#62

They were his words with 5 additional words added at a later time. You want to argue semantics, fine with me. No one will take you seriously if you cant be intellectually honest.

To whit perhaps you would like to post a link to a source of any noted historian who attributes the pledge to anyone else.

That’s like saying that us paper currency wasnt us currency prior to In God We Trust being added in 1957. You dont have to be Rose’s replacement till his ban ends in January.


#63

uh no thanks


#64

:roll_eyes:

Let us stick to facts.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy published the following words in The Youth’s Companion:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

On June 22, 1942, fifty years after Bellamy published the above mentioned pledge, Congress adopted our nation’s pledge of allegiance which contains a very significant change:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Bellamy’s words did not signify an allegiance to “the Flag of the United States”. Instead, it stated “my Flag”.

Still later, in 1954, the pledge of allegiance as adopted by Congress was again changed to include “under God” and now reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

What does all this mean? Francis Bellamy’s pledge, and its salute which mimicked a salute later adopted by the Nazi’s was intentionally changed to signify an allegiance, not to “my flag”, but to the Flag of the United States, “one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”.

JWK


#65

I didn’t think you would. :roll_eyes:

JWK


#66

Maybe “we” could trade a pathway to citizenship for building the wall?


#67

:roll_eyes:
Something you aren’t doing.

Bellamy wrote the pledge to promote the U.S flag. What other flag could he possibly have been creating a pledge to. Fairly obvious my flag was the U.S flag, especially considering the explicit referencing words directly following it “and to the Republic …”

Yes they were his words. You being incapable of understanding on context of two words is not lost on me. At this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and you are not going to win it.

#1 I noticed you haven’t addressed this.

“To whit perhaps you would like to post a link to a source of any noted historian who attributes the pledge to anyone else.”

#2. I noticed you haven’t address this.

That’s like saying that us paper currency wasnt us currency prior to In God We Trust being added in 1957. You dont have to be Rose’s replacement till his ban ends in January.

I’m gonna go ahead and chalk that up to because you can’t. Have you noticed not one person here agrees with you? That seems to happen on a very regular occassion.

Fact is the current Pledge is sourced and attributed to Bellamy, EVERYWHERE. In every history book, in every encyclopedia, EVERYWHERE. So yes they are his words, yes he meant the U.S flag and thus the country it represents. You want to keep having this back and forth be my guest, but I’ll just keep blowing your argument, which is at best based on an inability to understand a basic concept, out of the water. Keep it up, everyone reading this forum knows what I have pointed out far too many times to you already is true.

Read a history book for god sakes, your embarrasing yourself.


#68

And the fact is that bellamy was a socialist and created our pledge.


#69

Yup. But why let little things like facts get in the way of a nice little rant.