Who shot Ashli Babbitt?

[wayoutwest]

LOL. Bwuh? A window is “something”. In addition, the officers that were harmed were most certainly alive.

What in the actual ■■■■ man.

[e7alr]

Trump isn’t the line of this discussion. It is about the facts surrounding the use of force by one officer against an unarmed protestor. I see a bunch of attempts to excuse the shooting. Well the effective range of an excuse, unlike his pistol, is zero meters.

[PurpnGold]

@e7alr

If you set it on fire with people inside it is considered use of flame as a weapon to target the occupants. Setting an empty structure is just property damage by arson. Try giving things more thought.

Is arson considered a violent act?

Try reading what I am referring to.

[wayoutwest]

Oh, is that all it is? It’s just a little property damage?

Arson Law | Criminal Law Center | Justia.

Arson is defined as the willful and malicious burning of the property of another. It is considered a violent crime and is treated as a felony in most states. According to the National Fire Incident Reporting System, almost 17,000 acts of arson occur annually in the United States, leading to over half a million dollars in property losses each year.

[enki]

@e7alr

Trump isn’t the line of this discussion. It is about the facts surrounding the use of force by one officer against an unarmed protestor. I see a bunch of attempts to excuse the shooting. Well the effective range of an excuse, unlike his pistol, is zero meters.

you brought up who she supported as the reason why she was shot.

You know that she wasn’t shot because she supported Donald Trump even if you don’t want to admit it. You know that she was shot because of her actions which were a threat to the people behind the door that she breached.

There is no prize given…

[PurpnGold]

@wayoutwest

Oh, is that all it is? It’s just a little property damage?

Arson Law | Criminal Law Center | Justia.

Arson is defined as the willful and malicious burning of the property of another. It is considered a violent crime and is treated as a felony in most states. According to the National Fire Incident Reporting System, almost 17,000 acts of arson occur annually in the United States, leading to over half a million dollars in property losses each year.

How can it be a violent crime if no human/animal was harmed?

[wayoutwest]

I see a failed attempt at wit. I also see some real pretzel logic and avoidance of facts to try and defend the MAGA idiots.

You brought the political support into the discussion, not @enki .

[e7alr]

It is a destruction of property charge, like most things requiring a review of the elements present to determine what it constitutes. If people are injured or killed as a result, intent has to be determined to make further determinations as to the severity of the crime.

You made a blanked reference to setting a house on fire. Present a better, more nuanced argument and you will get better outcomes.

[e7alr]

You all are the one’s who keep mentioning Trump in this. That is the insertion of political motives in this thread. I suspect you just do it to try and draw the conversation into the usual Con/Prog food fight. The topic is the actions of the shooter and the victim of the shooting. Nothing else, but feel free to keep trying to deflect the conversation.

[enki]

My man…

@e7alr

We don’t shoot protestors in this country just because of who they support

The events of that day were in support of Donald Trump.

[PurpnGold]

@e7alr

It is a destruction of property charge, like most things requiring a review of the elements present to determine what it constitutes. If people are injured or killed as a result, intent has to be determined to make further determinations as to the severity of the crime.

You made a blanked reference to setting a house on fire. Present a better, more nuanced argument and you will get better outcomes.

This is why you don’t jump into the middle of a conversation without reading it. I’ll help you out. I’m generous

@Smyrna insinuated that a violent act can only be violent if a human is harmed

@Smyrna

“violent”…did you see any blood from any officers inside the capitol? Were any shots fired? Was anybody armed? Did you see anyone striking officers with weapons inside the capitol?

@PurpnGold

you call someone who busts out a window of a building, violent? If not violent…. What would you call it?

@PurpnGold

@Smyrna

…breaking a window.

What would you call that person? Violent or non violent?

@Smyrna

Is that window consider alive in California?

@PurpnGold

Oh you can only be violent again something that’s Alive? Good to know

If I set a house on fire… that’s non violent!

[Steel-W0LF]

Which step of this was NOT followed and ignored by the violent portion of the riot?

(There were other areas that this definitely didn’t apply to.)

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@Samm

Regardless of what cutesy name you call them, Newsmax reported new information (as did many other news sources) which spurred revival of the thread. If you don’t think that was appropriate, why are you participating?

always hold quackery up to ridicule.

the link posted is total quackery.

Are you saying that Mr. Babbitt is not suing for the wrongful death of his wife?

Where is your proof of that?

[Samm]

@tnt

@Samm

You watched the video … did you hear anyone say either of those things?

Who was on the other side of that door? Besides armed policemen that is …

(Unarmed terrorists … what a concept.)

You can’t separate the events of the day from the shooting.

I’m not. Those policemen were there when the shooting took place.

It sounds to me like you are saying that because there were policemen being injured in fighting elsewhere in the building that shooting rioters who were not injuring anybody was justified. Should that be applied on the streets during riots? That because some people turned over cars and looted and torched stores in one area, that means it’s okay to shoot people in crowds where no similar violence is occurring?

[Samm]

@tnt

@Samm

What do you think they could have done considering that the only people left there were armed policemen?

So yes, stop them, but there was no need to kill them. Nobody was in imminent danger, well except for Ashley, so it would seem.

If she had a bomb in her back pack, should could have blown the place up.

Oh, I get it. Shoot first and check her back pack for a bomb later. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Smyrna

@PurpnGold

Did you watch the video? I know the cat guy isn’t telling you… but the video is unbelievable clear. Everyone standing at that door saw a gun, yelled that they saw a gun… but Babbitt still decided it was a good idea to proceed through a broken window.

Many, many, many times and he was hiding, way off to the left…NOT FRONT AND CENTER DOING HIS JOB! He ran up to her, hands shaking and then shot her at almost point blank range. Her feet weren’t even on the ground and she fell BACKWARDS. This guy is a murdering criminal…PERIOD.

He wasn’t hiding if everyone at the doors saw him, right? They all yelled that he had a gun. You can see a gun in the video.

Why are you denying reality? The video is super clear.

Why do you think this is important? Cops have guns. So what? Just because he has a gun does not mean anyone there thought that he would start shooting. After all, there were cops in the stairwell behind them with guns, and they weren’t shooting.

You still haven’t answered my question … Did you hear anything officer Byrd allegedly said when you watched that video?

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Why do you think this is important? Cops have guns. So what? Just because he has a gun does not mean anyone there thought that he would start shooting

If you have a gun pointing at you, it is reasonable to assume you might be shot. Right?

@Samm

Did you hear anything officer Byrd allegedly said when you watched that video?

No, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t say it. He claims he said it. Either way… he pointing a gun. People around Babbitt saw it and yelled about it.

[Samm]

@WorldWatcher

The angle has nothing to do with the fact that it was a center mass shooting.

From four feet away, he would have been hard pressed to not hit somewhere near the middle of the portion of her body that was visible to him. He wouldn’t have even needed to aim … just point and shoot. Can’t miss.

What point are you trying to make from that?

[Samm]

@tnt

The internal NYPD investigation ruled that the officers had acted within policy, based on what a reasonable police officer would have done in the same circumstances.

Does that mean that the officer who shot the kid was being unreasonable?

[Samm]

@wayoutwest

No one has done that. Quote one if you disagree.

By contrast, several of your MAGA deplorables have openly stated they desire to see Byrd dead and buried. So there’s that…

Enough of that ■■■■■ If you are going to make such inflammatory allegations, quote it.