17 still out 6 months later.
New motto for cons “Blue lives matter, until they don’t”
Allan
17 still out 6 months later.
New motto for cons “Blue lives matter, until they don’t”
Allan
Why not milk it?
The bosses are calling it an insurrection. Get paid to stay home and do some side jobs.
And yet none of those cops felt the threat against them and/or others was sufficient to justify shooting anyone. Go figure.
Michael Brown was unarmed. He even had his hands up.
But I guess that’s,uh, (B)ifferent.
Yes, in fact it was VERY different,
And yet none of those cops felt the threat against them and/or others was sufficient to justify shooting anyone. Go figure.
Minimizing police injuries isn’t going to help ashli.
Here’s a another take.
A U.S. Capitol Police officer has been indicted on obstruction of justice charges after prosecutors say he helped to hide evidence of a rioter's involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection. The officer, Michael A. Riley, is accused of tipping off someone...
“Riley told the rioter that the scene was a “total s—show.” “I’m glad you got out of there unscathed. We had over 50 officers hurt, some pretty bad,” the officer wrote, according to the complaint.”
Allan
Samm: WorldWatcher: Samm:You mean the cover up?
How was it covered up?
Ms. Babbitt being part of a riotious mob that had demonstrated a willingness to use violence and used improvised melee weapons to breech a law enforcement barricade, which presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement and others on the other side of the barricade was broadcast world wide for all to see.
The media covered up her actions be broadcasting the video of her breeching the barricade. Ahhhh no.
WW
By pretending there was justification to shoot her, when the department policy (which you provided) clearly shows there was not.
None of the rest of your post provides justification either. It doesn’t matter one iota what may or may not have been going on in the rest of the building. The cop only shot one person … Ashli Babbitt.
#1 Not “pretending”, the shooting was justified under the circumstances.
#2 What I posted was not the “department policy”, it is the law in from the D.C. Statutes and clearly laid out the reasonable person standard that applies.
I know some want to ignore the totality of the circumstances that day and replace logic with emotions, I don’t know if their motivation is because someone had the testicular fortitude to stand up to Trump** supporters that were rioting and had demonstrated the willingness to use violence and were some in the group were in possession of improvised melee weapons or if it’s simply misplaced emotion and ffffeeellliiinnngggsss because Ms. Babbitt was female.
There is one person responsible for the death of Ms. Babbitt that day, and that is Ms. Babbitt for her poor choice to participate in a riotous mob that had demonstrated a willingness to use violence and used improvised melee weapons to breech a law enforcement barricade. Through her actions she presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement and others on the other side of the barricade.
Reality is what is, not what you think it should be.
WW
The only people who are ignoring the facts related to the shooting are the Capitol Police, the Democrat Administration and folks like you. Read those guidelines carefully. There was nothing about the shooting incident that fits those requirements for using lethal force.
Smyrna:…and where was the murderer in this picture you speak of? Was he standing right behind those barricades, gun drawn, standing firm, warning those on the other side not to come through, fearlessly protecting those lives he was charged with…or was he hiding, lying in wait, secretly planning to murder the first person to come through, regardless of whether or not they are armed or pose a physical threat to himself?
A scenario that only exists in fantasy land.
capitol Trespassing Rioters broke windows leading into the barricaded speakers lounge and then tried to climb though it. First one that did was dropped. End of threat.
Do you hear yourself? What would you be saying if cops in general routinely shot people for such offenses?
Smyrna: WorldWatcher:#1 Not “pretending”, the shooting was justified under the circumstances.
No it wasn’t and there is no honorable justification for it.
Sure there was.
Lt. Byrd deserves a medal for his actions that day in holding the thin blue line against a riotous mob that had demonstrated violence through the use of improvised melee weapons.
WW
“Holding the thin blue line.”
What melodramatic poppycock.
Smyrna: WorldWatcher:Needed because certain sheepole were trying to say that because the rioter didn’t have a firearm in her hand there was no threat.
Yeah…she’d have physically kicked Byrd’s ass…amirite?
Possibly.
My daughter takes martial arts and studied Krav Maga for awhile. I’m pretty confident that if she got in melee range should could have taken out Lt. Byrd very quickly.
But my currently active Air Force daughter is smarter than Ms. Babbitt.
WW
So now we’re justifying homicide based on the completely unfounded speculation if “probably would have kicked his ass”? WOW!
Samm:And yet none of those cops felt the threat against them and/or others was sufficient to justify shooting anyone. Go figure.
Minimizing police injuries isn’t going to help ashli.
Here’s a another take.
Prosecutors: Capitol cop told Jan. 6 rioter to hide evidence
“Riley told the rioter that the scene was a “total s—show.” “I’m glad you got out of there unscathed. We had over 50 officers hurt, some pretty bad,” the officer wrote, according to the complaint.”
How many of those other injury incidents was Ashli involved in? How many of the other demonstrators who were involved in those other injury incidents shot by a police officer?
But you are right. None of that is going to help Ashli … she’s dead,
There was nothing about the shooting incident that fits those requirements for using lethal force.
Actually Ms. Babbitt was part of a riotous mob that had demonstrated a willingness to use violence and improvised melee weapons to breech a law enforcement barricade, which presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement and others on the other side of the barricade.
That made the shooting justifiable when looking at the totality of the circumstances that Lt. Byrd faced that day and had heard over the radio. Reasonable people understand that and that is why the law specifically notes the applicability of the reasonableness standard.
WW
Being part of the mob is not justification to shoot whomever a cop wants to shoot. Her specific individual conduct, while clearly illegal, did not constitute a deadly threat which means the shooting was unjustified. And presumption of Byrd’s fear based on your assessment of his situation only reinforces the theory that he panicked. Panic certainly explains his action, but in no way does it justify it. Read those guidelines … nothing that occurred at that stairwell doorway fits those justifications.
Being part of the mob is not justification to shoot whomever a cop wants to shoot. Her specific individual conduct, while clearly illegal, did not constitute a deadly threat which means the shooting was unjustified. And presumption of Byrd’s fear based on your assessment of his situation only reinforces the theory that he panicked. Panic certainly explains his action, but in no way does it justify it. Read those guidelines … nothing that occurred at that stairwell doorway fits those justifications.
The shooting was fully justified.
Ms. Babbitt was part of a riotous mob that had demonstrated a willingness to use violence and improvised melee weapons to breech a law enforcement barricade, which presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement and others on the other side of the barricade.
That made the shooting justifiable when looking at the totality of the circumstances that Lt. Byrd faced that day and had heard over the radio. Reasonable people understand that and that is why the law specifically notes the applicability of the reasonableness standard.
WW
What we have are true Blue Lives that matter outside of DC.
The Cap PD are a pampered spoiled bunch…just like thier DC bosses.
Two tier justice…not supposed to work that way.
Now it does.
Samm:Being part of the mob is not justification to shoot whomever a cop wants to shoot. Her specific individual conduct, while clearly illegal, did not constitute a deadly threat which means the shooting was unjustified. And presumption of Byrd’s fear based on your assessment of his situation only reinforces the theory that he panicked. Panic certainly explains his action, but in no way does it justify it. Read those guidelines … nothing that occurred at that stairwell doorway fits those justifications.
The shooting was fully justified.
Ms. Babbitt was part of a riotous mob that had demonstrated a willingness to use violence and improvised melee weapons to breech a law enforcement barricade, which presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement and others on the other side of the barricade.
That made the shooting justifiable when looking at the totality of the circumstances that Lt. Byrd faced that day and had heard over the radio. Reasonable people understand that and that is why the law specifically notes the applicability of the reasonableness standard.
WW
What the mob did or was doing elsewhere does not justify what happened at that doorway. If it was such a threatening situation, why didn’t any of the cops on her side of the doors decide she needed to be shot to stop her? Were they being unreasonable in downplaying the threat?
Not a chance there was an adequate warning before her execution.
Now we have a fellow office testifying to that thanks to Judicial Watch.
The cover up is always worse…the crime here was really bad.
WorldWatcher:Needed because certain sheepole were trying to say that because the rioter didn’t have a firearm in her hand there was no threat.
Yeah…she’d have physically kicked Byrd’s ass…amirite?
Okay, honestly, who would have won the fight?
Babbitt or pence?
I think it could have been close. Definitely lots of shrieking.
WorldWatcher:through the use of improvised melee weapons.
Oh…nice addition in your attempt to justify the murder of an unarmed, 115 lb., female veteran who due to her enthusiasm and love of her country, made a mistake that day.
Don’t forget she was wrapped in a flag crawling through the barricades to freedom
Those cops on her side of the door are just as much at fault as the guy who shot her.
They walked away. Insane
Not a chance there was an adequate warning before her execution.
Now we have a fellow office testifying to that thanks to Judicial Watch.
The cover up is always worse…the crime here was really bad.
It wasn’t an execution. It was a terrible situation made worse by a moron with a hair trigger. But this use of drama is unnecessary