When you are a rioter breaking through a police barricade at the head of a mob that has already demonstrated a willingness to use violence, then any reasonable person would believe that the mob would pose a threat of death or serious bodily injury.
Under the circumstances that existed at that time and that place and based on the radio reports the Lt. Byrd had been hearing the threat was real an when she breached the barricade it became imminent.
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WuWei
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Congress can set up an independent commission to investigate murders by them. They can outsource the investigation.
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Smyrna
3915
Which one did that?
This is where the officer will lose in a court of law because that didnāt happen.
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Lt. Michael Byrd as has been confirmed.
And the reason he would probably win in court is the standard isnāt if someone is a member of the Trump** at all cost club, the standard that will be evaluated in court is the āreasonable personā standard.
His video interview highlights the restraint of the use of lethal force until such time as absolutely necessary. Then there will testimony by law enforcement officials about training on the lethal use of force and itās justification during these circumstances and how his action complied with training and engagement rules. Then on top of that there will be testimony about the DOJ and Capitol Police reviews and determinations that it was a justified use of lethal force for those circumstances on that day.
So when the āffffeeellliiinnngggsā of the Trump** sheepeole is excluded and the reasonable person standard are applied loss of a civil suit is very unlikely and will just bring emotional pain to the Babbitt family for the poor choice she made that day. On top of that they will end up paying the lawyers fees for Lt. Byrd for his defense.
Just MHO of course.
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Camp
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Iā¦donātā¦thinkā¦so.
zantax
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So, if it was policy and training to shoot her, why didnāt any of the other cops kill anyone?
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Smyrna
3919
Yeahā¦that 115 lb, 5ā2", unarmed female, could have really hurt his armed, much physically larger than hisā¦butt?
If he was doing his job and not a turd coward, heād have been standing front and center where everyone on the other side of the door, including his fellow officers, could see him, gun drawn, telling everyone there that if they attempt to come through, heāll be forced to shoot. Is that what happened?
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Most were in different circumstances and had the ability to retreat from the mob. There were some isolated videos of the mob beating officers and in those cases lethal use of force would have also been justified.
In the case of Lt. Byrd he was the last blue line prior to the rioters gaining access to the House Chamber where civilians were endangered.
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Camp
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There were over 100 that were assaultedā¦they never even pulled a weapon.
You are free to believe that, but you are wrong.
His action were cleared on that day and there will be no criminal charges and there (IMHO) of any possibility given the circumstances at that place on that date that he would lose a civil suit.
Fact is, from a reasonable person standard, it is justified to use lethal force when presented with a situation that could result in death or serious bodily injury to yourself or others.
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Camp
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We donāt even know who supposedly cleared him and why.
His interview had some holes in the story.
And you are free to believe as you wish for things not based on reality. The video of mod using improvised weapons to break through the barricade and then Ms. Babbittās breaching of the barricade are there for all to see.
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He didnāt need to be āclearedā to defend himself and others from death or serious bodily injury.
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No cover up. The videos are widely available on the internet.
Ms. Babbitt committed suicide by cop that day.
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Camp
3929
He really was not cleared at all.
No charges as yet is more accurate.
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Camp
3930
As much as the Kent State students did.
He didnāt need to be āclearedā to defend himself and others from death or serious bodily injury.
The DOJ cleared him from a federal perspective and the Capitol Police have cleared him as the local jurisdiction.
So what entity is going to bring criminal charges?
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Smyrna
3932
No my friend. I am exactly right and he didnāt do that, did he? He murdered her because he didnāt do that. Heās a cowardly turd. His fellow officers stood right in front of that crowd on their side of the door. All he had to do was the exact same thing but on his side of the door. His actions/inactions are what make this a murderā¦plain and simple.
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