Who is the Enemy?

[Samm]

@amadeus

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@WuWei

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Correct. But it should be part of the safety net when the parents fail.

Who decides?

The voting public.

The public does not have the authority to vote to replace my role as a parent. And neither does the government whether elected or appointed.

Nobody is replacing parents… well unless there’s actual abuse. What we do vote for is safety net.

By presuming to known what is best for the children and then teach them (indoctrinate them) accordingly IS replacing the judgement of the parents.

I’ve had parent-teacher conferences for 34 years. Never has the subject of indoctrination come up. Moreover, never have I had the experience of a parent complaining that I replaced their judgement. In addition I now teach the kids of parents that I taught. This has always been a congenial and rewarding experience.

Great. But that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

[amadeus]

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Because they are by nature sensitive people who will cry if you don’t accept them.

Do you feel this way about all minority populations or just the one’s you don’t like?

Who said I don’t like them?

It’s obvious from your posts.

Quote it. I have never posted a harsh word about gays or trans or whatever.

If you didn’t have a problem with trans folk you wouldn’t have a problem about it being taught in schools.

Nonsense. Indoctrinating students about trans folks has nothing to do with learning the basics of what are required to become a productive adult. THAT is the function of the public schools. Teaching stuff about politics, religion and sexuality is the function of parents.

We had sex education in middle school. 1965 or something. We had discussion of politics and followed the presidential elections. Like 1962 or something.

Teaching biology and discussing current events in the context if US history are not remotely the same as indoctrination to accept alternative genders.

Perhaps not. But why wouldn’t you accept alternative genders?

[amadeus]

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@amadeus

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@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Correct. But it should be part of the safety net when the parents fail.

Who decides?

The voting public.

The public does not have the authority to vote to replace my role as a parent. And neither does the government whether elected or appointed.

Nobody is replacing parents… well unless there’s actual abuse. What we do vote for is safety net.

By presuming to known what is best for the children and then teach them (indoctrinate them) accordingly IS replacing the judgement of the parents.

I’ve had parent-teacher conferences for 34 years. Never has the subject of indoctrination come up. Moreover, never have I had the experience of a parent complaining that I replaced their judgement. In addition I now teach the kids of parents that I taught. This has always been a congenial and rewarding experience.

Great. But that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

I think it does. People think that they know exactly what teachers are doing in school. But I think in fact they have no idea.

[Samm]

@amadeus

Perhaps not. But why wouldn’t you accept alternative genders?

Whether I accept them or not has nothing to do with what should or should not be taught to kids in public schools.

[amadeus]

@Samm

@amadeus

Perhaps not. But why wouldn’t you accept alternative genders?

Whether I accept them or not has nothing to do with what should or should not be taught to kids in public schools.

Well. That’s life. Sometimes life is taught at school.

[wiley8425]

If they’re old enough to.learn sex ed, they’re old enough to learn about gender identity. You and I both know the majority of parents aren’t teaching their kids about either. That’s a job for the publicly funded babysitter.

They’re going to have to learn to deal with all kinds of crazy and how to filter it when they get older. Break them in early, I say.

[Samm]

@amadeus

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@fallenturtle

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@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Correct. But it should be part of the safety net when the parents fail.

Who decides?

The voting public.

The public does not have the authority to vote to replace my role as a parent. And neither does the government whether elected or appointed.

Nobody is replacing parents… well unless there’s actual abuse. What we do vote for is safety net.

By presuming to known what is best for the children and then teach them (indoctrinate them) accordingly IS replacing the judgement of the parents.

I’ve had parent-teacher conferences for 34 years. Never has the subject of indoctrination come up. Moreover, never have I had the experience of a parent complaining that I replaced their judgement. In addition I now teach the kids of parents that I taught. This has always been a congenial and rewarding experience.

Great. But that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

I think it does. People think that they know exactly what teachers are doing in school. But I think in fact they have no idea.

You know what you are teaching. You don’t speak for other teachers, particularly teachers in other schools.

[amadeus]

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@fallenturtle

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@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Correct. But it should be part of the safety net when the parents fail.

Who decides?

The voting public.

The public does not have the authority to vote to replace my role as a parent. And neither does the government whether elected or appointed.

Nobody is replacing parents… well unless there’s actual abuse. What we do vote for is safety net.

By presuming to known what is best for the children and then teach them (indoctrinate them) accordingly IS replacing the judgement of the parents.

I’ve had parent-teacher conferences for 34 years. Never has the subject of indoctrination come up. Moreover, never have I had the experience of a parent complaining that I replaced their judgement. In addition I now teach the kids of parents that I taught. This has always been a congenial and rewarding experience.

Great. But that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

I think it does. People think that they know exactly what teachers are doing in school. But I think in fact they have no idea.

You know what you are teaching. You don’t speak for other teachers, particularly teachers in other schools.

Do you speak for other teachers?

[Samm]

@amadeus

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Perhaps not. But why wouldn’t you accept alternative genders?

Whether I accept them or not has nothing to do with what should or should not be taught to kids in public schools.

Well. That’s life. Sometimes life is taught at school.

And some object to their kids being indoctrinated to accept certain aspects of life. A public school is not supposed to teach that some opinions (in this case woke opinions concerning the alleged reality of alternative genders) should be accepted and prevail over the opinions of the parents.

[Samm]

@amadeus

Do you speak for other teachers?

No … and that’s the point. I don’t speak for the other parents either. And neither should the school system.

[wiley8425]

Where is that being taught exactly? I must have missed the “we’re right and your parents are wrong” lectures when I was in school and that was a lot more recently than you were. Hyperbole much?

[amadeus]

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Perhaps not. But why wouldn’t you accept alternative genders?

Whether I accept them or not has nothing to do with what should or should not be taught to kids in public schools.

Well. That’s life. Sometimes life is taught at school.

And some object to their kids being indoctrinated to accept certain aspects of life. A public school is not supposed to teach that some opinions (in this case woke opinions concerning the alleged reality of alternative genders) should be accepted and prevail over the opinions of the parents.

Listen. Teaching these things is not my department. I teach physical science. But our “other” job is to know our students and support them. I know gay and lesbian students at my school, and also transgender. Fortunately, most of our students are accepting. Others are outright dismissive and rude. What do you think we should do about that?

[WuWei]

all

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predeterminer · determiner · pronoun

used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.

“all the people I met”

[Samm]

@wiley8425

Where is that being taught exactly? I must have missed the “we’re right and your parents are wrong” lectures when I was in school and that was a lot more recently than you were. Hyperbole much?

Do you not understand that this discussion is hypithetical?

[amadeus]

@WuWei

all

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predeterminer · determiner · pronoun

used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.

“all the people I met”

Well, alrighty then.

[wiley8425]

Sure. I also understand making stuff up to argue for the sake of arguing. Potato potato or something.

[Samm]

@amadeus

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Perhaps not. But why wouldn’t you accept alternative genders?

Whether I accept them or not has nothing to do with what should or should not be taught to kids in public schools.

Well. That’s life. Sometimes life is taught at school.

And some object to their kids being indoctrinated to accept certain aspects of life. A public school is not supposed to teach that some opinions (in this case woke opinions concerning the alleged reality of alternative genders) should be accepted and prevail over the opinions of the parents.

Listen. Teaching these things is not my department. I teach physical science. But our “other” job is to know our students and support them. I know gay and lesbian students at my school, and also transgender. Fortunately, most of our students are accepting. Others are outright dismissive and rude. What do you think we should do about that?

Again, good for you.

You can make being rude a school decorum rule without demanding that the rude person accept the person they are rude to. As I said earlier, you cannot force anyone to abandon their biases.

[Ben_Natuf]

nothing.

[Samm]

@wiley8425

Sure. I also understand making stuff up to argue for the sake of arguing. Potato potato or something.

Do you not understand the nature of discussion forums?

[wiley8425]

Yes. Do you not? Or are you just extra sensitive when called out on your ■■■■■■■■■