Who is the Enemy?

WuWei · 2021-10-20T14:17:15.838Z

FreeAndClear:

WuWei:

I don’t remember that. I do remember being called a trump whatever for supporting some policies.

“never had it better.” There’s not much leeway in “never.”

It was true. It’s certainly not now.

party-free · 2021-10-20T14:18:11.535Z

We don’t have to worry about rape ever again. Didn’t you hear? Governor Abbott has the solution to rape. Just take rapists off the street, problem solved.

FreeAndClear · 2021-10-20T14:19:58.500Z

WuWei:

FreeAndClear:

WuWei:

I don’t remember that. I do remember being called a trump whatever for supporting some policies.

“never had it better.” There’s not much leeway in “never.”

It was true. It’s certainly not now.

No it wasn’t. Not even close to being true. Actually it does not matter whether it was. But it’s very similar to “all” as in all males are rape culture. When arguments are reduced to absolutes, people start drawing conclusions.

WuWei · 2021-10-20T14:24:13.681Z

FreeAndClear:

No it wasn’t. Not even close to being true. Actually it does not matter whether it was. But it’s very similar to “all” as in all males are rape culture. When arguments are reduced to absolutes, people start drawing conclusions.

It was and you know it, stop pretending.

Unemployment at all time lows including minorities.
Tax cuts.
No more wars.
Border getting better.
Decoupling China
America First!

Oh but the mean tweets!

FreeAndClear · 2021-10-20T14:38:41.222Z

WuWei:

FreeAndClear:

No it wasn’t. Not even close to being true. Actually it does not matter whether it was. But it’s very similar to “all” as in all males are rape culture. When arguments are reduced to absolutes, people start drawing conclusions.

It was and you know it, stop pretending.

Unemployment at all time lows including minorities.
Tax cuts.
No more wars.
Border getting better.
Decoupling China
America First!

Oh but the mean tweets!

Right. It wasn’t but like i said it’s always fun talking in absolutes.

That exclamation point of yours proved my point oh so well.

2014-2016 were just as good, your conclusive conclusions notwithstanding.

fallenturtle · 2021-10-20T15:43:13.543Z

Ben_Natuf:

the house does not and never has represented any states. the are the peoples representatives in government.

Of course they represent their states… that’s why they are elected by the people of their states and not the whole nation.

Ben_Natuf:

the senates used to represent the state legislatures in government and as such protected against federal encroachments on states authorities, it no longer does.

The state legislatures are elected by the state citizens and therefore without the 17th they should be selecting senators based on the desire of the citizens and not based on a desire to keep the state government more powerful (unless, of course, those who elected them want that). The 17th just took out the middleman. Is there some rule in the state legislature that they are supposed to keep power from the feds even if they are elected by citizens who want the opposite? The state legislatures would only elect states-rights senators if the state legislatures are also pro-states-rights and elected by pro-states-rights citizens.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-10-20T15:52:18.273Z

conan:

There is no mis-characterization on my part. Libs here walk lock step with party masters.

Yep. At best/worst, when a proglib is caught red-handed in some obviously indefensible act, there will be other proglibs who will declare “oh… I disagree with what they did” but they will continue to vote for those who enable such indefensible acts.

Lockstep
Left…left…left…
I don’t know but I’ve been told…
Mmmm…mmm.mmm is mighty cold.
Sound off, one two bring it on down
Three four
One two three four
One two THREE FOUR.

yep…

fallenturtle · 2021-10-20T15:58:07.240Z

Smyrna:

fallenturtle:

But its not “change for the sake of change because we want to”. For any change with significant backing from the left there is a reason, its not for ■■■■■ and giggles. Perhaps the reasons aren’t enough to justify the change or you disagree with the reasons, but so says its just because they want to is fallacious.

So why then is it a good idea for little children to be read books by drag queens>

That’s not really a change or related to policy, but the idea is to encourage children to be more accepting of people who are different then them, to encourage self expression, and to teach kids that they aren’t restricted to the gender roles society places on them.

Oldandtired · 2021-10-20T16:14:28.326Z

That is the parents job, Not the local and federal government or you.

fallenturtle · 2021-10-20T16:21:46.162Z

Oldandtired:

That is the parents job, Not the local and federal government or you.

Sometimes parents fall short. You can always try to change it in your community or opt for home schooling. I don’t see where the federal government is even applicable in this discussion.

WuWei · 2021-10-20T16:22:16.106Z

FreeAndClear:

2014-2016 were just as good, your conclusive conclusions notwithstanding.

At war
Higher taxes
More unemployed

biggestal99 · 2021-10-20T16:22:33.735Z

Oldandtired:

That is the parents job, Not the local and federal government or you.

What if the parents are absent from their lives as many children are?

Should not there be a safety net for them via the government?

Allan

WuWei · 2021-10-20T16:23:02.163Z

fallenturtle:

Sometimes parents fall short.

According to whom?

WuWei · 2021-10-20T16:23:46.847Z

fallenturtle:

That’s not really a change or related to policy, but the idea is to encourage children to be more accepting of people who are different then them, to encourage self expression, and to teach kids that they aren’t restricted to the gender roles society places on them.

Why?
…

fallenturtle · 2021-10-20T16:23:58.629Z

WuWei:

fallenturtle:

Sometimes parents fall short.

According to whom?

Anyone who holds that opinion.

FreeAndClear · 2021-10-20T16:24:35.405Z

WuWei:

FreeAndClear:

2014-2016 were just as good, your conclusive conclusions notwithstanding.

At war
Higher taxes
More unemployed

Same war as in through 2020
Higher taxes - for some not all.
More unemployed - and yet at “full employment” and the number dropping.

The only way we never had it better is if 2017 was year zero and for many of the positions to be true that has to be the case

Smyrna · 2021-10-20T16:26:44.850Z

fallenturtle:

That’s not really a change or related to policy, but the idea is to encourage children to be more accepting of people who are different then them, to encourage self expression, and to teach kids that they aren’t restricted to the gender roles society places on them.

Exposing is a good word to use to describe this absolutely, despicable, sexual encounter with a perverted mindset and if you are in favor, that’s despicable.

biggestal99 · 2021-10-20T16:26:45.590Z

WuWei:

America First!

American first policies generally sucked.

And away goes the team responsible for those policies (Miller, Bannon, etc)
Via the ballot box.

Allan

fallenturtle · 2021-10-20T16:28:33.709Z

WuWei:

fallenturtle:

That’s not really a change or related to policy, but the idea is to encourage children to be more accepting of people who are different then them, to encourage self expression, and to teach kids that they aren’t restricted to the gender roles society places on them.

Why?
…

Because its good for mental health and self-image.

biggestal99 · 2021-10-20T16:28:40.847Z

biggestal99:

American first policies generally sucked.

And away goes the team responsible for those policies (Miller, Bannon, etc)
Via the ballot box.

Allan

I am not the only one who thinks that way

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