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[westaussie]

It does appear that the USA is meddling in the Venezuelan politics. There is a theory that the CIA meddled in Australian politics in the mid-1970s.

Should everyone be concerned about concerned about foreign interests in their country’s elections? Most definitely. Similarly everyone should be concerned when foreign media interests attempt to influence the outcomes of elections.

[westaussie]

I am Australian;so I would described myself as very much left of centre. Hence, I am a Labor Party supporter. If I were a member of the ALP, I would be aligned to the left faction of that Party.

With respect to sensible gun laws that is not a left versus right argument. In Australia it has bi-partisan support. It is a matter of historical fact that a right of centre coalition government introduced our current gun laws and was supported by the centre-left ALP. As for self-defence it is generally a bi-partisan position in Australia that only reasonable force is legal.

[Samson_Corwell]

@WuWei

@Samson_Corwell

@Samm

@westaussie

I have already articulated my political philosophy and leaning; I have not kept it a secret. I cannot name a Democrat I am aware of that I would consider is left of me.

Which is a out and out admission of your liberalism. So why are you busting my chops about it?

As if “liberalism” represented one of the endpoints on a spectrum!

It does. The bad end.

Politics isn’t a spectrum. It’s like a tree.

There are worse branches.

[Samson_Corwell]

@westaussie

As for self-defence it is generally a bi-partisan position in Australia that only reasonable force is legal.

You will find that that support for allowing “reasonable force” extends beyond bipartisanship. Everyone will tell you that they think “reasonable force” should be allowed.

[Samm]

@westaussie

I have never stated unequivocally “that no American Democrat is to your left”. Obviously, the “your left” in that quote is referring to my left.

Perhaps you can try to articulate an argument without the need to resorting to crude obscenities that are fortunately automatically filtered. One other suggestion that would show a degree of remorse would be to unequivocally admit that you are wrong.

Of course you did … in words to that effect.

@westaussie

I have already articulated my political philosophy and leaning; I have not kept it a secret. I cannot name a Democrat I am aware of that I would consider is left of me.

If none of them are to your left and they are liberals (which the leftists in the Democratic Party most certainly are) then it follows directly that YOU ARE A LIBERAL!

[Samm]

@westaussie

I am Australian;so I would described myself as very much left of centre. Hence, I am a Labor Party supporter. If I were a member of the ALP, I would be aligned to the left faction of that Party.

With respect to sensible gun laws that is not a left versus right argument. In Australia it has bi-partisan support. It is a matter of historical fact that a right of centre coalition government introduced our current gun laws and was supported by the centre-left ALP. As for self-defence it is generally a bi-partisan position in Australia that only reasonable force is legal.

So once again, you admit that you are a political leftist, yet you still bust my chops about calling you a liberal. What do you think a liberal is? Hint … it is NOT defined by belonging to a political party with the word “liberal” in its name.

And your position on guns IS the liberal view point. It very much IS a left vs. right argument. I think your problem recognizing where your political philosophy truly lies is that you are surrounded by liberals who all think pretty much alike … like liberals.

[Samm]

@Samson_Corwell

@westaussie

As for self-defence it is generally a bi-partisan position in Australia that only reasonable force is legal.

You will find that that support for allowing “reasonable force” extends beyond bipartisanship. Everyone will tell you that they think “reasonable force” should be allowed.

But what is reasonable is very much in contention. That is the problem with proposing that Congress pass “common sense gun laws.” Nobody can agree on what makes common sense.

[WuWei]

@Samson_Corwell

@WuWei

@Samson_Corwell

@Samm

@westaussie

I have already articulated my political philosophy and leaning; I have not kept it a secret. I cannot name a Democrat I am aware of that I would consider is left of me.

Which is a out and out admission of your liberalism. So why are you busting my chops about it?

As if “liberalism” represented one of the endpoints on a spectrum!

It does. The bad end.

Politics isn’t a spectrum. It’s like a tree.

There are worse branches.

Yeah, a palm tree. Libs are the nuts.

Not in my book.

[WuWei]

@Samson_Corwell

@westaussie

As for self-defence it is generally a bi-partisan position in Australia that only reasonable force is legal.

You will find that that support for allowing “reasonable force” extends beyond bipartisanship. Everyone will tell you that they think “reasonable force” should be allowed.

I don’t. “Reasonable” doesn’t mean anything.

[Samson_Corwell]

@Samm

@Samson_Corwell

@westaussie

As for self-defence it is generally a bi-partisan position in Australia that only reasonable force is legal.

You will find that that support for allowing “reasonable force” extends beyond bipartisanship. Everyone will tell you that they think “reasonable force” should be allowed.

But what is reasonable is very much in contention. That is the problem with proposing that Congress pass “common sense gun laws.” Nobody can agree on what makes common sense.

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

[Samson_Corwell]

@WuWei

@Samson_Corwell

@WuWei

@Samson_Corwell

@Samm

@westaussie

I have already articulated my political philosophy and leaning; I have not kept it a secret. I cannot name a Democrat I am aware of that I would consider is left of me.

Which is a out and out admission of your liberalism. So why are you busting my chops about it?

As if “liberalism” represented one of the endpoints on a spectrum!

It does. The bad end.

Politics isn’t a spectrum. It’s like a tree.

There are worse branches.

Yeah, a palm tree. Libs are the nuts.

Not in my book.

Alrighty.

Communism, Nazism, Islamic fundamentalism, slavery-supporting ideologies from the 1800s, etc?

[Samson_Corwell]

@WuWei

“Reasonable” doesn’t mean anything.

Right, that’s my point.

[westaussie]

My, my; logic doesn’t appear to have played any part in your response to me. I have pointed out MANY, MANY times i am an Australian. Therefore, it isn’t possible for me to know every Democratic politician. My comment was that I cannot name a Democrat that is left of me. Under no circumstances, unless one lives in “Flyover Country”, can that be construed to mean that there are no Democrats to the left of me. What it means is that I am not aware of any.

Because someone might call someone else a pumpkin, doesn’t make them a pumpkin because they have been called a pumpkin.

[westaussie]

Once again your comments re sensible gun laws are fallacious. The right of centre coalition government of the Liberal and National Parties in Australia introduced the legislation into the Australian House of Reps. It was supported by the centre-left opposition ALP.

To re-iterate the gun laws introduced in the aftermath of the Port Arthur mass shooting were supported by both sides of politics.

As to “bust my chops” that is entirely of your own making. You have chosen to go down this bizarre path of your own accord.

[westaussie]

Of course RWNJs would have trouble understanding what is reasonable.

[westaussie]

Your position is not surprising; yet in Australia it is the LAW.

[Samm]

@westaussie

My, my; logic doesn’t appear to have played any part in your response to me. I have pointed out MANY, MANY times i am an Australian. Therefore, it isn’t possible for me to know every Democratic politician. My comment was that I cannot name a Democrat that is left of me. Under no circumstances, unless one lives in “Flyover Country”, can that be construed to mean that there are no Democrats to the left of me. What it means is that I am not aware of any.

Because someone might call someone else a pumpkin, doesn’t make them a pumpkin because they have been called a pumpkin.

Yeah, that’d what I said, you are a liberal.

[Samm]

@westaussie

Once again your comments re sensible gun laws are fallacious. The right of centre coalition government of the Liberal and National Parties in Australia introduced the legislation into the Australian House of Reps. It was supported by the centre-left opposition ALP.

To re-iterate the gun laws introduced in the aftermath of the Port Arthur mass shooting were supported by both sides of politics.

As to “bust my chops” that is entirely of your own making. You have chosen to go down this bizarre path of your own accord.

Which just goes to prove what I said … you are surrounded by people who think like you do, i.e. liberals. Even your so-called conversatives are liberals.

Your adamant, personal denial of my assessment of you being a liberal has been to bust my chops. That’s what the expression means. And the only thing bizarre about it is that in spite of the overwhelming evidence of hundreds of liberal comments made by you and even admissions that you are a leftist, you continue to deny what everyone here knows … you ARE a liberal. As I said before, just because the political party you identify with does not have “liberal” in its name does NOT mean that you are not one. Capisce?

[Samm]

@westaussie

Of course RWNJs would have trouble understanding what is reasonable.

Another liberal viewpoint … “if you don’t agree with me, your position is unreasonable.”

While I have spent time in your country, I am not familiar with RWNJ. Is that a term of endearment? I can only assume that’s the case since you have so often pointed out crass behavior by others and I know you would not stoop to that yourself.

[westaussie]

RWNJ is a very accurate description of ultra-right wing positions. Your views with respect to opposing sensible gun laws are well known and in my opinion it is a contemptible position to adopt.

You are wrong in your description of me and I have no intention to continue to stoke your obduracy.