Who is Eric Ciaramella

A Strategic Corporal in Scott Stedman’s Neckbeard Army.

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About what?

Changing the performance of Congress to mimic that of the Politburo…is all I see.

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I see,thanks for clearing that up for me

This word was purposefully used by the shepherds to describe this leaker, for all the sheople out there to say this exact thing.

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Except he didn’t circumvent the State Department.

They were fully on board with what Biden did, as was the EU and the IMF.

You think all these organizations were in the tank for Joe and Hunter Biden?

In late 2015, U.S. officials stepped up the pressure.

During a September 2015 speech at a financial forum in Odessa, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt decried the inability of Shokin’s office to root out corruption.
“Rather than supporting Ukraine’s reforms and working to root out corruption,” Pyatt said, “corrupt actors within the Prosecutor General’s Office are making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform.”

In October 2015, then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told the Senate Foreign Relations committee the Prosecutor General’s Office must lock up “dirty personnel” in its own office.

In December 2015, Biden railed against the “cancer of corruption” in a speech before the country’s parliament and called out Shokin’s office.

Besides Biden’s threat over the $1 billion in aid, the International Monetary Fund threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons.

Shokin was eventually removed from his position in the spring of 2016.

The decision to remove Shokin “creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the Prosecutor General’s Office,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s ambassador to Ukraine, in a written statement.

“I hope,” Tombinski said, “that the new Prosecutor General will ensure that the Office of the Prosecutor General becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust.”

Look at that- united, concerted pressure, applied in a stepwise and escalating fashion, from multiple agencies.

NONE of whom were private individuals or agencies circumventing normal channels of government.

It’s helpful if people see the facts on the ground for what they are, rather than have them colored by a flim flam man who acted on a conspiracy theory started by Paul Manafort.

This is why it pays off to pay attention to events as they are happening, rather than learn about them after the fact.

Yeah, he did. He didn’t send the ambassador, he sent the ONE GUY with a conflict of interest.

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Most welcome. It pays to do your research.

As I said- it would have helped if people had actually been paying attention to what was going on at the time.

Fortunately I don’t have that problem and was following the events at the time, as the Ukraine is of special interest to me… :sunglasses:

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I’m saying I disagree with the notion of “absolute immunity” that the DOJ has claimed. They made the argument about his taxes, claiming the President can not be investigated.
It is something that doesn’t currently exist. I’m not advocating judge shopping.

You can repeat that over and over as many times as you wish.

It won’t make you correct.

Biden was not the beginning of the pressure on the Ukraine…he was the end of a long chain of proper government channels.

Unless you have evidence that he used private individuals and that stated State Department and Administration policies were opposite of what Biden stated. Or evidence that Biden got the State Department, Obama, the EU and the IMF on board for his own personal gain.

Until then…feel free to continue repeating a meaningless sentence…

Let’s add some additional facts to this conversation to paint a complete picture.

Let’s start here…

Obama Whitehouse Factsheet on Ukraine April 21, 2014:

Energy Security: Over the coming weeks, expert teams from several U.S. government agencies will travel to the region to help Ukraine meet immediate and longer term energy needs.

  • Today, a U.S. interagency expert team arrived in Kyiv to help Ukraine secure reverse flows of natural gas from its European neighbors. The team will continue on to Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia in the coming days to work on the details of these arrangements. Reverse flows of natural gas will provide Ukraine with additional immediate sources of energy.
    > * U.S. technical experts will join with the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development and others in May to help Ukraine develop a public-private investment initiative to increase conventional gas production from existing fields to boost domestic energy supply. A technical team will also engage the government on measures that will help the Ukrainian government ensure swift and environmentally sustainable implementation of contracts signed in 2013 for shale gas development.
  • Department of Energy and USAID specialists will travel to Ukraine next month to provide advice on how to maximize energy efficiency, which could deliver potentially huge cost savings to Ukraine and rationalize energy

Next, we have this development:

April 21, 2014: WH releases factsheet detailing USAID and other assistance directed to Ukrainian natural gas development.

May 13, 2014: Hunter Biden named to the board of Burisma, the largest private natural gas supplier in Ukraine. This announcement is 23 days after the official release by the WH detailing US financial and technical assistance in developing natural gas supply within Ukraine.

How does this happen? How does VP Biden running point on US Ukraine policy allow his son to be appointed to the board of this company? Anyone who hand waves this away by saying Joe Biden didn’t know his son was appointed to the board of Burisma is just running deflection.

This is just a starting point.

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Right, he was the end of it. One guy.

No one denies Hunter Biden being on the Burisma board was a bad look for Joe Biden.

There were articles on it at the time. Again…those who were paying attention at the time…like me…know this…and don’t need to get their news from people putting after the fact spin on it.

What’s missing is any evidence US, EU or IMF policy was altered because Hunter Biden was on Burisma’s board, or that Joe Biden circumvented normal government channels specifically to aid or protect his son.

Let’s assume Biden himself told his son to join that company.

How would that change anything about the pressure from the western allies to get rid of a corruption prosecutor WHO WAS NOT INVESTIGATING CORRUPTION? By the time Biden joined the board, Burisma was no longer investigated. Shokin, it turns out, was on the take from Burisma. Wouldn’t have been more suspicious if Biden bucked the western allies and advocated for Shokin to remain the AG?!

The Senate is part of the Congress.

The parallel to a Judicial System is that the House acts at the Grad Jury and the Senate acts as the trial and jury.

It’s perfectly fine as part of Congressional process for the Senate to call witnesses.
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Sounds like they were slow compared to the Trump admininistration…

Took only a week for Bleyzer and Cranberg to win a deal…

They’re everywhere…probably even on these boards…:wink:

“Still think this is an honest whistleblower?”

Well yes.

I mean, it was a perfect call!

Are you saying that you are in real life Eric Ciaramella?

We know that there is a strong bias in many posters, but having the sweet WB on board is a special bonus.

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