White House Counsel Don Mcgahn Cooperating with Mueller

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T12:15:50.038Z

JayJay:

Whether I personally agreed with the idea that there was no such thing as a perjury trap was irrelevant to you…even though you were responding to MY post?

I get blasted from multiple forum members every day. I quickly lose track of who said what.

Thanks for admitting you don’t think of people as individuals but instead simply group them into categories.

I keep my attacks on LIBs at a general level rather than attacking individual forum members. That is my way of acknowledging that there are exceptions to my broad brush generalizations.

And thanks for admitting you believe that the definitions of words and concepts are simply a matter of people’s opinion. It explains a lot.

As with everything else, definitions are subject to interpretation. Why else would we be having this disagreement?

But here in the real world, “compete” is an actual word with an actual definition. “Perjury trap” is an actual legal term with an actual definition.

Compete has an actual definition. “Competing narrative” also has an actual definition. They are not one and the same, as forum members are attempting to argue.

“Perjury Trap” is one of those terms that is subject to many different interpretations. Legal experts seem to disagree, as do forum members. Your interpretation is but one of many. It carries no real weight with me.

Kelby · 2018-08-22T12:47:32.422Z

JayJay:

reflechissez:

peek-a-boo:

The general argument from Trump-hating forum members was that there was no such thing.

Nope. The argument was that you can’t be subject to a perjury trap if you haven’t told lies.

Peek has been well-trained to believe truth is a matter of opinion, and so therefore an investigator that’s “out to get Trump” will simply allow a truth to be “made up” and when Trump doesn’t agree with that made-up truth, said investigator will accuse him of lying.

Peek thinks this is what a perjury trap is.

Peek doesn’t realize that the real world of investigations and courts still functions reasonably well, and doesn’t operate in the CEC Dystopia he believes it operates in.

I’ve always thought this poster was female, must be the screen name.

Anyway, he represents the concept of cognitive dissonance to a T.

No factual information that discredits Trump will permeate the bubble, and actual mounting allegations and evidence against him will simply be dismissed out-of-hand, until the head explodes or the subject will no longer discussed at all.

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T13:12:52.426Z

Kelby:

I’ve always thought this poster was female, must be the screen name.

Anyway, he represents the concept of cognitive dissonance to a T.

No factual information that discredits Trump will permeate the bubble, and actual mounting allegations and evidence against him will simply be dismissed out-of-hand, until the head explodes or the subject will no longer discussed at all.

You might want to take another crack at this. Looks to me like you stumbled onto something that you know nothing about!

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T13:15:01.676Z

JayJay:

Peek has been well-trained to believe truth is a matter of opinion, and so therefore an investigator that’s “out to get Trump” will simply allow a truth to be “made up” and when Trump doesn’t agree with that made-up truth, said investigator will accuse him of lying.

Peek thinks this is what a perjury trap is.

Peek doesn’t realize that the real world of investigations and courts still functions reasonably well, and doesn’t operate in the CEC Dystopia he believes it operates in

LIBs believe they have a superior intellect and that when they open their mouth everyone should hang on every word they say. When they speak, the discussion is all but over - as they alone have the truth on their side.

It does sound kind of silly.

Kelby · 2018-08-22T13:15:52.265Z

peek-a-boo:

You might want to take another crack at this. Looks to me like you stumbled onto something that you know nothing about!
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As a practicing psychologist, I might know a thing or two about the defenses people use to protect their sense of worth/competence.

dantes · 2018-08-22T13:16:13.078Z

Go easy on this poster. They obviously don’t possess your superior intellect!

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T13:18:34.748Z

You might want to remove your edit.

In any case, you are dead wrong in your application of “cognitive dissonance” when it comes to those who disagree with you. I would be happy to debate this in another thread if you care to start one.

Kelby · 2018-08-22T13:18:37.722Z

peek-a-boo:

JayJay:

Peek has been well-trained to believe truth is a matter of opinion, and so therefore an investigator that’s “out to get Trump” will simply allow a truth to be “made up” and when Trump doesn’t agree with that made-up truth, said investigator will accuse him of lying.

Peek thinks this is what a perjury trap is.

Peek doesn’t realize that the real world of investigations and courts still functions reasonably well, and doesn’t operate in the CEC Dystopia he believes it operates in

LIBs believe they have a superior intellect and that when they open their mouth everyone should hang on every word they say. When they speak, the discussion is all but over - as they alone have the truth on their side.

It does sound kind of silly.

Silly, or worse, is when you ignore the reality that is staring you right in the face.

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T13:19:32.951Z

Kelby:

Silly, or worse, is when you ignore the reality that is staring you right in the face.

There is no way that a practicing psychologist is making that kind of a statement.

Kelby · 2018-08-22T13:20:03.076Z

peek-a-boo:

Kelby:

Silly, or worse, is when you ignore the reality that is staring you right in the face.

There is no way that a practicing psychologist is making that kind of a statement.

Lol, OK.

More denial from you.

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T13:25:56.014Z

Kelby:

Lol, OK.

More denial from you.

I am a student of human behavior. I’ve been observing it for going on 20 years and I believe a have a good understanding of it.

From my experience, a practicing psychologist wouldn’t even be wasting their time on these forums, let alone spouting the nonsense that you are spouting.

Kelby · 2018-08-22T13:30:33.799Z

peek-a-boo:

Kelby:

Lol, OK.

More denial from you.

I am a student of human behavior. I’ve been observing it for going on 20 years and I believe a have a good understanding of it.

From my experience, a practicing psychologist wouldn’t even be wasting their time on these forums, let alone spouting the nonsense that you are spouting.

You’re right about the “wasting my time” here part.

But, I’m human like everyone else.

I’m mostly fascinated by the effectiveness the CEC has had on a gullible audience, quite remarkable really.

At the same time, I was pleasantly surprised to find some very bright folks presenting well-reasoned and compelling arguments against it. After listening to Sean for years, I expected to find an echo chamber here.

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T13:37:19.673Z

Kelby:

You’re right about the “wasting my time” here part.

But, I’m human like everyone else.

I’m mostly fascinated by the effectiveness the CEC has had on a gullible audience, quite remarkable really.

At the same time, I was pleasantly surprised to find some very bright folks presenting well-reasoned and compelling arguments against it. After listening to Sean for years, I expected to find an echo chamber here.

And there you go again. If you are what you say you are, I have lost all respect for you. That type of statement is not something I have come to expect from someone in your position.

dantes · 2018-08-22T13:42:55.579Z

Why wouldn’t they?

JayJay · 2018-08-22T14:50:55.027Z

Legal experts do NOT disagree on what the basic constitution of a perjury trap is.

And one of the key factors is there must be something about which the person being entrapped MUST LIE ABOUT.

So if Mr. Trump does not lie, he cannot, BY DEFINITION, be subject to a perjury trap!

And ONLY if there is the danger that something has happened about which he might be inclined to lie should he be afraid of a perjury trap!

Period. End of story.

Not “my opinion”…but the DEFINITION of what cinstitutes a perjury trap!

JayJay · 2018-08-22T14:55:57.626Z

peek-a-boo:

JayJay:

Peek has been well-trained to believe truth is a matter of opinion, and so therefore an investigator that’s “out to get Trump” will simply allow a truth to be “made up” and when Trump doesn’t agree with that made-up truth, said investigator will accuse him of lying.

Peek thinks this is what a perjury trap is.

Peek doesn’t realize that the real world of investigations and courts still functions reasonably well, and doesn’t operate in the CEC Dystopia he believes it operates in

LIBs believe they have a superior intellect and that when they open their mouth everyone should hang on every word they say. When they speak, the discussion is all but over - as they alone have the truth on their side.

It does sound kind of silly.

Ideologues don’t understand realists, and ideologues make the error in assuming everyone argues from a strong ideological perspective.

Ideologues like to put people into pre-defined boxes rather than take each person as they come.

I’m not a “LIB”. I left on some issues, and right on a whole bunch of others. On the spectrum of everything, I’m likely a left-center libertarian.

Of course you won’t believe that since your predefined boxes for people are inviolate.

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T15:09:20.454Z

JayJay:

Legal experts do NOT disagree on what the basic constitution of a perjury trap is.

And one of the key factors is there must be something about which the person being entrapped MUST LIE ABOUT.

So if Mr. Trump does not lie, he cannot, BY DEFINITION, be subject to a perjury trap!

And ONLY if there is the danger that something has happened about which he might be inclined to lie should he be afraid of a perjury trap!

Period. End of story.

Not “my opinion”…but the DEFINITION of what cinstitutes a perjury trap

So that cinches it. The superior intellect has spoken and declared the conversation to be over.

That’s ok; I was ready to move on anyway.

peek-a-boo · 2018-08-22T15:10:49.728Z

JayJay:

Ideologues don’t understand realists, and ideologues make the error in assuming everyone argues from a strong ideological perspective.

Ideologues like to put people into pre-defined boxes rather than take each person as they come.

I’m not a “LIB”. I left on some issues, and right on a whole bunch of others. On the spectrum of everything, I’m likely a left-center libertarian.

Of course you won’t believe that since your predefined boxes for people are inviolate

Yep! Another forum member that walks and talks like a LIB but pretends not to be……………….

WuWei · 2018-08-22T15:20:54.014Z

lulubee:

If by that you mean I believe McGahn has given information to Mueller that implicates (or corroborates evidence already in Mueller hands) Donny in conspiracy and/or obstruction of justice, you would be correct.

Ok, if you say so.

lulubee · 2018-08-22T20:10:13.610Z

WuWei:

lulubee:

If by that you mean I believe McGahn has given information to Mueller that implicates (or corroborates evidence already in Mueller hands) Donny in conspiracy and/or obstruction of justice, you would be correct.

Ok, if you say so.

Yep. I say so.