Let’s put it simpler. Is there ever a time you would denounce and let go of a political leader who supports your policy objectives?

It’s not my party or my cancer. He is the President, no matter how I feel about his personality.

Do you always have a choice how you will speak about the president?

Did you? You voted for Hillary Clinton.

Of course it is applicable. Read it. There is no wiggle room or weasel clauses.

Romans
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Of course. Why?

Can you answer a question without deflecting to a failed presidential bid?

This is a contemporary line of reasoning of course just because of having to rationalize. I think you used to be on the old forums – remember how people used to say that they could never vote for someone who cheated on their spouse? Because if they cheated on their spouse how can you trust them to not cheat on their country… similar arguments about voting for someone who didn’t serve in the military… yeah that whole line of reasoning disappeared in the Trump era.

1 Like

I don’t know. Did you think about it?

I don’t know what you mean. Romans 13 says what it says and there is no doubt what it says.

I can separate the two. The things I find abhorrent about Trump have nothing to do with policy.

Abhorrent policy? No.

Not really, I just answered your question.

Me too. 123

Probably not in this case. That she failed is irrelevant to the fact that you voted for her. I didn’t vote for him. You accuse me of what you did.

And I will never let you fade her off into the distance.

I don’t get the game.

Yes we know. Fox is also obsessed with her. You know she holds no elected position right?

What game?

No, you’re getting rid of the albatross.

Over the years people say lot over silly things. But at the end of day it’s there work that counts.

The end product is what I judge.

Who …Nixon? Or further back…?