What's the new standard for mask wearing?

[hwyflier]

@WildRose

My statement remains true, there is still little to no evidence of spread from asymptomatic carriers to others.

No and you’re using two links from May 22nd in response to a WHO statement on June 9th and my article from June 29th.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@toreyj01

@WildRose

There is very little to no evidence of asymptomatic transmission.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html

Asymptomatic people do not transmit it, true. But pre-symptomatic people do, and at that time they are asymptomatic as well. Some patients never get symptoms and they do not transmit often, but pre-symptomatic patients transmit frequently and are seen as the primary vectors of contagion.

The WHO worded this poorly, it has led to considerable confusion.

come on Torey! “Presymptomatic”?

Basically, what it means is that a newly infected person is going to manifest symptoms within days, but during that incubation period there can be considerable viral shedding and transmission.

But at that moment, they may be asymptomatic, or manifest symptoms atypical for a viral infection. These could be things like diminished sense of smell or taste, which is a result of histamine release due to an impending cytokine storm.

Asymptomatic carriers are past incubation, they carry the virus and never clinically manifest symptoms. They do not show the same level of viral shedding and transmission.

I know what it’s supposed to mean.

What if you call it if you are “presymptomatic” but never develop symptoms?

Then you are asymptomatic. This is the grey zone we have. Infected and either asymptomatic or presymptomatic and no way of knowing which you will be.

Which is WHY everyone needs to wear a mask. We just cannot know.

[hwyflier]

@WuWei

So I went in to Harris County for a little while today. I was conscious to watch for masks. A lot of employees using them because they have to. One place I went, they weren’t until I walked in, then they all put them on.

Patrons were I would say about 80% in some places, less in others.

I haven’t been anywhere in Travis County in weeks that didn’t chase out non-mask people. Wholesalers I deal with got their call in /curbside figured out long ago.

Damn near no one wears a mask in Williamson County though, and generally the attitude seems to be to ignore the whole thing.

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

Then you are asymptomatic. This is the grey zone we have. Infected and either asymptomatic or presymptomatic and no way of knowing which you will be.

Which is WHY everyone needs to wear a mask. We just cannot know.

It’s not a “grey zone” it’s bull ■■■■ governmentspeak hedging.

If you don’t have symptoms, you are asymptomatic. If you do, you are symptomatic. If they are contagious and shedding without symptoms, it is asymptomatic spread. Period.

[WuWei]

@hwyflier

@WuWei

So I went in to Harris County for a little while today. I was conscious to watch for masks. A lot of employees using them because they have to. One place I went, they weren’t until I walked in, then they all put them on.

Patrons were I would say about 80% in some places, less in others.

I haven’t been anywhere in Travis County in weeks that didn’t chase out non-mask people. Wholesalers I deal with got their call in /curbside figured out long ago.

Damn near no one wears a mask in Williamson County though, and generally the attitude seems to be to ignore the whole thing.

Full discosure: I was on the edge of Harris County, I never got near Houston.

[Bigjohn]

In The Woodlands most people seem to be wearing masks. I was in Whole Foods this afternoon and everyone was wearing masks

[tnt]

that’s a shame that the workplace isn’t taking this seriously.

[zantax]

@WuWei

So I went in to Harris County for a little while today. I was conscious to watch for masks. A lot of employees using them because they have to. One place I went, they weren’t until I walked in, then they all put them on.

Patrons were I would say about 80% in some places, less in others.

Seeing about fifty percent here in my town on my limited excursions.

[gooddad409]

@zantax

@WuWei

So I went in to Harris County for a little while today. I was conscious to watch for masks. A lot of employees using them because they have to. One place I went, they weren’t until I walked in, then they all put them on.

Patrons were I would say about 80% in some places, less in others.

Seeing about fifty percent here in my town on my limited excursions.

About fifty percent here…maybe.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Effectiveness.

Fauci says it needs to be 70.

Allan

[WuWei]

@Bigjohn

In The Woodlands most people seem to be wearing masks. I was in Whole Foods this afternoon and everyone was wearing masks

Yes, the Virtue Culture is strong down there.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Effectiveness.

Fauci says it needs to be 70.

Allan

He won’t get 25.

[WildRose]

That presumption flies in the face of logic. If you have yet to archive a viral load high enough to cause symptoms you are not capable of shedding a high load of the virus.

All the evidence to date suggests it takes a significant exposure to actually acquire the disease.

[WildRose]

Seriously? Did you even read it?

Asymptomatic persons seem to account for… .

The prevalence of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, however, has remained uncertain… .

Most data from the 16 cohorts in this narrative review are not the output of large, carefully designed studies with randomly selected, representative samples. They do not generally purport to depict anything more than certain circumscribed cohorts at specific moments in time. We have not attempted to pool them for the purposes of statistical analysis. When viewed as a collection, though—as a kind of mosaic or patchwork—these data may offer potentially valuable insights into SARS-CoV-2 incidence and the highly variable effect of infection.

The difficulty of distinguishing asymptomatic persons from those who are merely presymptomatic is a stumbling block. To be clear, the asymptomatic individual is infected with SARS-CoV-2 but will never develop symptoms of COVID-19. In contrast, the presymptomatic individual is similarly infected but eventually will develop symptoms. The simple solution to this conundrum is longitudinal testing—that is, repeated observations of the individual over time. Unfortunately, only 5 of our cohorts include longitudinal data. We must therefore acknowledge the possibility that some of the proportions of asymptomatic persons are lower than reported.

The only conclusion one can draw from this study is that as yet this theory is a long way from proven and before anything actually is proven a great deal more research is required.

[WildRose]

And it remains true, there is little to no evidence supporting transmission from either presymptomatic or asymptomatic carriers.

What little evidence there is, is extremely thin and certainly not confirmed.

It “may” be possible, if it is nobody has any idea yet as to what degree it is.

[WildRose]

What is the required viral load for you to transmit it to others?

What is the viral exposure required for you to acquire the disease?

[WildRose]

“Chasing them” isn’t an issue and it isn’t what he stated nor what he in any way expressed.

Can you get a good idea of how many MAGA hats you observe in a day’s time without chasing them down?

[WildRose]

No, he said he hoped for 70% in his testimony before the committee.

[WildRose]

No faster than this disease is mutating and the way in which it is mutating it’s very possible.

Thankfully the changes are very minor and don’t seem to be in the major structures of the particle so odds are high we can get a vaccine that is highly efficacious.

[WildRose]

We’re nowhere near overwhelmed. A few individual hospitals had some concerns about possibly maxing out their ICU wards but unless something has changed recently none have and no City or County has run out of beds or ICU beds.