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Redefined? Do you mean they will no longer be striving to indoctrinate our youth while making them pay through the nose for the privilege? :thinking:

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Just can’t give up looking at race, can you. :neutral_face:

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Well yeah- if a college suddenly turned all white and asian
that would be an interesting demographic change. But I suppose not for you.

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Why not intellectual development as a goal. Why reject those with superior intellect in favor of trying to make intellects out of people who’s only qualification is the income level of the neighborhood they grew up in? A university’s goal should be to advance knowledge, not to even out personal incomes.

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Toward what purpose? Advancement of knowledge or social engineering?

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Well yes
but there is a reason this country offers FAFSA to low income folks. Do you support that?

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Do you support offering Pell grants? Is that social engineering?

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Clarence Thomas does not fit the profile you are trying to pin on him 


"Thomas was born on June 23, 1948, in Pin Point, Georgia. Pin Point was a small, predominantly black community near Savannah founded by freedmen after the Civil War. He was the second of three children born to M. C. Thomas, a farm worker, and Leola “Pigeon” Williams, a domestic worker. They were descendants of enslaved people and spoke Gullah as a first language. Thomas’s earliest known ancestors were slaves named Sandy and Peggy, who were born in the late 18th century and owned by wealthy planter Josiah Wilson of Liberty County, Georgia.

Thomas’s father left the family when Thomas was two years old. Though Thomas’s mother worked long hours, she was sometimes paid only pennies per day, struggled to earn enough money to feed the family, and was forced to rely on charity. After a house fire left them homeless, Thomas and his younger brother, Myers, were taken to live in Savannah with his maternal grandparents, Myers and Christine (nĂ©e Hargrove) Anderson.

Thomas experienced amenities such as indoor plumbing and regular meals for the first time while staying in Savannah. Myers Anderson had little formal education but built a thriving fuel oil business that also sold ice. Thomas has called Anderson “the greatest man I have ever known”. When Thomas was ten years old, Anderson started taking the family to help at a farm every day from sunrise to sunset. He believed in hard work and self-reliance, and counseled Thomas to “never let the sun catch you in bed”. He also impressed upon his grandsons the importance of a good education.

Raised Catholic, Thomas attended the predominantly black St. Pius X High School in Chatham County for two years before transferring to St. John Vianney’s Minor Seminary on the Isle of Hope, where he was the segregated boarding school’s first black student. Though he experienced hazing, he performed well academically. He briefly attended Conception Seminary College, a Catholic seminary in Missouri, to pursue a career as a Catholic priest; no one in Thomas’s family had attended college before. He left the seminary soon after Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination. When he overheard a student there say after the shooting, “Good. I hope the son of a bitch died”, Thomas thought the church did not do enough to combat racism and resolved to abandon the priesthood."

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Don’t fret. Universities are not going to become enclaves of White and Asian supremacy.

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Thus my comment that it will be interesting to see if there are any demographic changes in 5-10 years. Perhaps colleges will make a work around. Perhaps AA simply was not that necessary. Or perhaps certain groups will decline. Interesting experiment being run.

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Sure. Programs to help poor people to escape poverty are good for the society. But Universities are supposed to be about advancing knowledge to improve the society. The best way to do that is to select the best brains as the raw material, regardless of where they come from or what color the package it’s in is.

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Why do you always go off on these tangents trying to build a case by asking obscure questions?

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Ya- that was why I was suggesting a carve out “quota” for poor people who academically perform just as well as wealthier folks. So still merit based, but a carve out to broaden academia to include people of little means. Sort of an adjunct to FAFSA.

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Yep. So don’t fret.

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Well- I just not e that you already support the US government supporting poor people to be able to attend college. Its not a big leap for colleges to look to do the same. It does get us away from race quotas that can often be challenging.

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I have no problem with that.

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I do note that the SC is not requiring military academies to end affirmative action. Without AA, its likely the officer corps would become very very white while the enlisted corps would be much more diverse. I have a feeling thats why they avoided interfering there. Its not intellectually honest.

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It’s not if they still use academic performance and intellect as the base. Well, unless you believe that certain races are inherently intellectually inferior. Then it would be difficult.

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Yes I equally support both. Income should not be the main limiting factor of a higher education.

That said, I do think the country should consider tying everything to aptitude testing starting in early high school. Like see where students naturally excel at. If a person natural excels at trade skills through either self teaching or just have a knack for it, then they should be provided with the funding to attend good trade schools to further their education in those things they show an aptitude for.

If a person shows a natural aptitude for mathematics, then they should be gently pushed towards disciplines such as engineering or architecture. And if they are lower income the funding should be provided by the state so long as they agree to focus on what they have already shown they are fairly talented at in their aptitude testing results.

Basically making a good investment into citizens. I’ve never liked just handing people money without some sort of pre established goal. It’s wasteful of tax payer funding. It’s bad for both parties.

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Why do you think that?

This country has been producing brilliant black, Latino, and Asian officers since the military was fully integrated. And even before that becoming a US Army officer was one of the best careers a black man from the Jim Crow south could hope to achieve at that time.

The military has always been ahead of the general population when it comes to racial integration. Usually the US military is ten or more years ahead of the Civilian sector in those matters.

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