What Voter Rights Should be Enacted?

I’m not trying to bash Trump… just an example of the standard of what is “permanent”

Multiple residences. Claimed NY as his permanent residence. Lived in DC. And then changed his permanent residence to Florida.

It did not seem like he actually accrued living in Florida to make this change. He just decided. And nobody would have cared if he decided not to live in Florida later.

People with multiple residences have this freedom. I remember Dick Cheney had to change his residence from Texas to Wyoming at the last minute to avoid disqualifying TX electors.

If we want to respect fairness we should give the same freedom to college students. It’s hard to say they are residing in the dorm less than other transient persons.

I don’t think that is correct. It is a similar arrangement as an apartment complex with a “box” in the main building. Or a rural location with a cluster of boxes at the end of a road.

A P.O. Box is at a post office and the holder does not live there.

Just like on most drivers licenses is already an indication if the person wants to be an organ donor.

The new “free” concept is to address concerns about someone having to pay to get a drivers license or some other State ID, thus effectively making it a “poll tax”. It’s a bogus concern, as you point out.

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My son and daughter attended different schools.

The both had mail centers and a P.O. Box to receive mail. Their dorm was not the address nor did they receive mail at the dorm.

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It depends on the school.

NYU students, for example, get their mail addressed to their specific dorm. UC Berkeley, too.

The “Free” aspect isn’t new. It’s as old as Voter ID laws and most (if not all states) that have photo Voter ID law have already incorporated provisions to receive a non-driving state ID for free.

IIRC

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But if an election is in November, and the student intends to stay in an apartment for summer… ???

It’s just the practicality of trying to isolate this to the stereotype of kids who move home in summer. Once you design all the bells and whistles of it and compare it to the simplicity afforded other multiple-residence persons it looks more like a selective rule.

If they have a lease and have meet the residency requirements, go for it.

If it is transitory, then they should vote absentee.

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I have seen that. But it is still tied to where they are residing. I assume this arrangement occurs in other circumstances as well.

I don’t think this is the same as a P.O. Box which is totally divorced from where one lives.

In any event the address of note is where one resides, not how one obtains mail. A homeless person who stays in one area is entitled to vote in that area.

I have a question.

How would you rate someone like Trump who had years of producing no taxable income? Negative weight?

Nope their dorms moved from year to year.

Once assigned their on-campus P.O. box it didn’t change.

At least in the case of my kids, which I admit is anecdotal.

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Absolutely not. That is Active-Passive citizenship. The same thing the French tried during the early part of the First Republic.

Each citizen gets one vote. No more, no less. The requirement should be that they are a proven legitimate citizen of the nation through positive identification. No other requirements are necessary.

God I’m agreeing with Purp.

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If the individual had no taxable Income from hours worked… zero weight.

An election is months away from summer. You are putting a big onus on a person who lives in a dorm, but never moves back home. They have to try to schedule leases out months in advance?

I know this is a nit, but it really boils down to simplicity. If they reside in the area (they do) and choose to call it their permanent place that should be enough. We afford that simplicity to everybody else.

It creates and expands class distinctions between the people.

It’s a form of class warfare. It’s no different than what the socialist elitists are doing.

Correct me if I wrong but I think you are mistaken on the criteria that others used to establish active citizenship. Who used hours worked to produce taxable Income?

I get what you are saying. But still not the same as a P.O. box which can have nothing to do with where you lay your head to sleep.

In any event we are talking about how mail is routed when the qualification is where one resides.

We live in a data age. There is NO REASON something like this should not be implemented.

Colorado should put itself out there as a model to follow. It took a while to work out all the bugs, but it has been in place for many years now, and I consider it both convenient and effective.

We even have a process whereby you get an email when your mail-in ballot is received (whether it is actually mailed, or dropped in one of the hundreds of secure drop-off locations.) And another when it is processed – and even notification if it was rejected for some reason.

Colorado drops your voter registration if you haven’t voted in x-many years. (I think it’s 10.) Thinking behind that is to clear off people who have moved out of state. Your item #1 above would fix that.

But if you get dropped, you get a notification mailed to you telling you of that action, and telling you how to reinstate if you were dropped in error.

There are students who set up permanent residence in that location. Let them vote where their permanent residence is. (Which means getting a drivers license in that state. And registering to vote in that state. Etc. It impacts more than just voting. State (and in some locations, county) of residence also impacts things like state income taxes, for example.

Colorado mail-in rules dictate that the ballots have to be RECEIVED by close of polls on election day. News and PSA announcements flood the local info streams telling people when the last reasonable day is to mail in the ballots so that they are received in time. But you can drop the ballots at one of the hundreds of drop-off boxes, and as long as they are dropped by 7PM on election day.

As long as the rules are clear, it’s not unreasonable to expect all votes be in the pipeline by a given date/time. (Overseas ballots are a different matter. Especially military, since there is an additional handling process involved.)

Extending the window for countable votes just leaves close races unresolved for too long, in my opinion. Nonetheless, I could still live with a longer horizon if that’s what’s ultimately implemented. I just wouldn’t like it as much.

Wrong. You read it wrong. The poor who work get the same vote as the rich who work.

I didn’t say “weighted by income”.

I said “weighted by number of hours worked to create taxable Income.”

Poor man works 2000 hours a year for 20 years creating taxable Income gets same vote as rich man who worked 2000 hours a year for 20 years.