What Should Donald Trump Say In His Speech Tonight

Grassroots · 2019-01-08T19:43:50.512Z

Cratic3947 · 2019-01-08T19:45:15.258Z

H_Arendt:

Public opinion polls indicate that the public opposes Trump’s wall by a margin of between 15-20%. Similarly, polls show that the people want the government to re-open.

The President is giving a televised speech tonight to make his case for the wall (unless he uses the speech to declare a National Emergency). But assuming he is making the case for the wall, what would be the most effective approach he could take?

I am not asking whether the wall should be built. There are plenty of threads on that. Rather, in a “politics” thread let’s talk politics (not policy). A President whose approval rating is underwater is trying to win support for an unpopular policy. This is a tough task. What should he do?

It would be fun tomorrow to see if he followed any of our advice.

What poll are you looking at?

Washington Examiner – 28 Dec 18

Poll: 8-in-10 call illegal immigration a ‘problem,’ 58% say ‘serious’

Most Americans believe that illegal immigration is a problem but are split over what to do about it, according to a new survey.

H_Arendt · 2019-01-08T19:45:39.152Z

As usual, the Trump White House appears to be leaking like a sieve.

Discipline anyone?

Loyalty anyone?

I started this post to have a discussion of what would be best for Trump to do. One thing that would be best would be for whoever is acting Chief of Staff this week to gather the staff and get them to focus on running the Executive Branch rather than running their mouths to the press. Leave Sarah Sanders to do that job.

I’ll believe what was in the President’s speech after I hear it. But I’ll also believe that he’ll deny what he said in a day or two if the feedback isn’t great.

Grassroots · 2019-01-08T19:46:49.448Z

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WorldWatcher · 2019-01-08T19:47:38.333Z

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So, IF Trump declares and emergency and takes money from military personnel and procurement to build the wall.

How long would it take for DEM’s to pass and deliver a Joint Resolution to the Senate for consideration to END the emergency that Trump just declared? (Measure in hours or days as you wish.)

Once delivered to the Senate, here is the question… Must the Senate vote on the JR? Which would be bad for McConnell as it would put GOP Senators on record (not bad for DEM Senators as we already know they are against Trump). Or can McConnell just pocked the JR and not bring it to the floor like he did with the House funding bill and the Garland nomination?
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H_Arendt · 2019-01-08T19:48:43.741Z

I’m talking about polls that ask about whether the wall is the solution to the issue of undocumented immigrants and polls that ask about whether the government should be shut down. This isn’t a debate about undocumented immigrants because no-one believes in open borders. (Open borders is a talking point from the Conservative Entertainment Complex that has no existence in the material world. It exists in the same fantasy land as the 3755 terrorists Sarah Sanders says have been apprehended on the southern border.) This is a debate about how to best address the problem. The poll you are citing is irrelevant.

Orygun · 2019-01-08T19:49:00.039Z

Pretty certain McConell would not allow Trump to be publicly rebuked like that. If that were the likely outcome he would warn Trump ahead of time so he doesn’t take that course. Much more likely is it would force a lawsuit.

Orygun · 2019-01-08T19:49:32.426Z

Cratic3947:

What poll are you looking at?

The one’s that focus on Trump’s solution- the dumb ass wall.

PeterGriffin · 2019-01-08T19:49:45.245Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Part of the speech tonight will be a campaign rally.

Another part of the speech will be to attack people.

A third part of the speech will be him telling many falshoods.

A fourth part of the speech will be about the witch hunt.

Or maybe he’ll stay on topic.

Presidential Harrassment could make an appearance.

Normally I completely avoid these things by any President but this has the feel of history in the making.

PeterGriffin · 2019-01-08T19:51:09.678Z

Orygun:

The one’s that focus on Trump’s solution- the dumb ass wall.

Well you’re doing it all wrong. Polls aren’t something you look for a general snapshot of the mood and beliefs of a large cross section of a population. They are things that you spin, deny, cherry pick, misrepresent, and either cuddle up to or completely trash based on if they reflect YOUR beliefs!

H_Arendt · 2019-01-08T19:51:13.374Z

I don’t think this will happen. The Democrats will take the issue to the courts. If the Democrats passed a resolution in the House it would die when McConnell refused to bring it to the floor of the Senate. A Supreme Court ruling against the President would carry more force.

AmusedObserver · 2019-01-08T19:56:54.674Z

Orygun:

Remember when they fought against the dictatorial abuses of the Obama “Regime”- using executive orders to act like a king. Watch the 180 in full swing…

It’s hard to forget all that whinnying about Obama’s “pen and a phone”.

mobiusptc · 2019-01-08T20:00:06.511Z

AmusedObserver:

Orygun:

Remember when they fought against the dictatorial abuses of the Obama “Regime”- using executive orders to act like a king. Watch the 180 in full swing…

It’s hard to forget all that whinnying about Obama’s “pen and a phone”.

you are just not drinking enough Brawndo :it has electrolytes that plant craves

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-01-08T20:30:59.483Z

I’m guessing Trump will threaten to invoke a state of emergency unless the anti American Nancy and Chuck give him lots of $$$.

WorldWatcher · 2019-01-08T20:38:23.107Z

H_Arendt:

I don’t think this will happen. The Democrats will take the issue to the courts. If the Democrats passed a resolution in the House it would die when McConnell refused to bring it to the floor of the Senate. A Supreme Court ruling against the President would carry more force.

See that’s what I don’t know. See the law requires a vote, McConnell might not have discretion.

"(3) Such a joint resolution passed by one House shall be referred to the
appropriate committee of the other House and shall be reported out by such committee
together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which
such resolution is referred to such committee and shall thereupon become the pending
business of such House and shall be voted upon within three calendar days after the day
on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall otherwise determine by
yeas and nays. "

policy.defense.gov

50%20USC%201601-1651.pdf

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The way I read that, if the House passes the Joint Resolution (JR) then it goes to the Senate. The Senate would have 15 calendar days to report it out of committee where it becomes the active business on which the Senate votes.
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H_Arendt · 2019-01-08T20:41:00.427Z

Interesting. A question though. What is a “joint” resolution. Does it require the full vote of both parties?

WorldWatcher · 2019-01-08T20:45:30.694Z

H_Arendt:

Interesting. A question though. What is a “joint” resolution. Does it require the full vote of both parties?

A joint resolution is a resolution passed by both the Senate and the House together. It has to pass with a majority of each chamber (House and Senate). Such a JR passed by Congress, would end Trump’s “National Emergency” and any funding/authority derived from it.

If the House of Representatives passes it, I don’t know if McConnell can refuse to bring it to a vote in the Senate given the language of the Federal Law. I’d say in the short term it would have a 70/30% chance of failing in the Senate (first vote), now idea what would happen six months from now with a new resolution.

But what McConnell will NOT want is to have Senators on record voting to keep the shutdown active and having Trump taking money from the military under a “national emergency”. The GOP already has problems with the Senate class up for reelection in 2020 and Schumer would like nothing better than to have such a vote on record.
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ComfortablyNumb · 2019-01-08T20:54:17.040Z

WorldWatcher:

H_Arendt:

I don’t think this will happen. The Democrats will take the issue to the courts. If the Democrats passed a resolution in the House it would die when McConnell refused to bring it to the floor of the Senate. A Supreme Court ruling against the President would carry more force.

See that’s what I don’t know. See the law requires a vote, McConnell might not have discretion.

"(3) Such a joint resolution passed by one House shall be referred to the
appropriate committee of the other House and shall be reported out by such committee
together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which
such resolution is referred to such committee and shall thereupon become the pending
business of such House and shall be voted upon within three calendar days after the day
on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall otherwise determine by
yeas and nays. "

https://policy.defense.gov/portals/11/Documents/hdasa/references/50%20USC%201601-1651.pdf
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Great find! Thank you for sharing this. If things do progress to a declaration of a National Emergency, I hope this is exactly what the House Democrats do.

TommyLucchese · 2019-01-08T22:53:41.576Z

I like this.

CoachMcGuirk · 2019-01-08T23:05:13.012Z

Orygun:

“I really have no idea what I’m doing.”

“I’m deeply sorry for putting the American people through this charade.”

Yes we all have dreams…

“I’ve made a huge mistake,” is a reference to a running gag on Arrested Development. Whenever a character (usually Gob) blunders his way into prison for treason or commits some sort of self own of a similar scale, he says “I’ve made a huge mistake.”