What percent of public mask wearing is actually effective?

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:21:50.218Z

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

Over confidence in equipment creates risk tolerance.

Good point.

I hear that argument with bike helmets.

it’s a dumb argument.

It is a scientific fact in risk tolerance studies.

Is this arguing just to argue?

No, it is a fact.

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There are better ones, but that one will do.

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:22:05.775Z

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

Plenty of people out there doing more than they need to do in public. Staying home is better than masking, it’s bonkers that is even a thing to argue against.

Sure.

Not everyone is so privileged to be able to stay at home.

The vast majority in my local grocery and many of the other stores, no matter their wealth level, have the privilege of curbside pick up and online ordering.

I will let you stew on how that is possible for a few seconds.

zantax · 2021-08-22T12:23:45.446Z

Jezcoe:

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

Plenty of people out there doing more than they need to do in public. Staying home is better than masking, it’s bonkers that is even a thing to argue against.

Sure.

Not everyone is so privileged to be able to stay at home.

The vast majority in my local grocery and many of the other stores, no matter their wealth level, have the privilege of curbside pick up and online ordering.

I will let you stew on how that is possible for a few seconds.

How it’s possible? Lol, capitalism my friend. Why would that make me stew?

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:25:47.380Z

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:27:26.990Z

WuWei:

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

It will 100% happen somewhere with a mask mandate in effect.

It is a mitigation strategy. It is about lowering risk.

This all or nothing thing is what is killing people.

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:28:06.013Z

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

It will 100% happen somewhere with a mask mandate in effect.

It is a mitigation strategy. It is about lowering risk.

This all or nothing thing is what is killing people.

If an outbreak occurs, did it lower the risk?

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:28:39.569Z

zantax:

How it’s possible? Lol, capitalism my friend. Why would that make me stew?

Think about it a little harder.

WorldWatcher · 2021-08-22T12:29:31.791Z

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

It will 100% happen somewhere with a mask mandate in effect.

It is a mitigation strategy. It is about lowering risk.

This all or nothing thing is what is killing people.

If an outbreak occurs, did it lower the risk?

There are 131,000 public school buildings in the US.

If not wearing masks result in an outbreak in 100.

And if wearing masks results in an outbreak in 10.
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Then yes.

WW

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:29:52.101Z

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

It will 100% happen somewhere with a mask mandate in effect.

It is a mitigation strategy. It is about lowering risk.

This all or nothing thing is what is killing people.

If an outbreak occurs, did it lower the risk?

People die in car wrecks even thought there are seatbelts and airbags.

Nothing is 100% effective.

People should stop acting like just because it isn’t perfect that it doesn’t work.

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:35:57.660Z

WorldWatcher:

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

It will 100% happen somewhere with a mask mandate in effect.

It is a mitigation strategy. It is about lowering risk.

This all or nothing thing is what is killing people.

If an outbreak occurs, did it lower the risk?

There are 131,000 public school buildings in the US.

If not wearing masks result in an outbreak in 100.

And if wearing masks results in an outbreak in 10.
.
.
.
.
.
Then yes.

WW

Disregarding every other contributing factor? That’s a very sophomoric approach.

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:37:54.470Z

Jezcoe:

People die in car wrecks even thought there are seatbelts and airbags.

Nothing is 100% effective.

People should stop acting like just because it isn’t perfect that it doesn’t work.

Agreed. The question then becomes is the juice worth the squeeze, no?

Perhaps people should stop acting like just because it may work some it’s perfect.

You try to pretend there’s now downside to it. That it’s not a big deal. You don’t know that. There’s no science to support you.

zantax · 2021-08-22T12:38:14.328Z

Jezcoe:

zantax:

How it’s possible? Lol, capitalism my friend. Why would that make me stew?

Think about it a little harder.

Is this where I am supposed to fall on my knees and worship government for using my money to invent the obvious?

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:40:31.385Z

I saw somewhere the other day that a school had a mask plan to allow students to remove their masks under controlled conditions - for 60 seconds once a day. 60 seconds

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:45:24.112Z

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

People die in car wrecks even thought there are seatbelts and airbags.

Nothing is 100% effective.

People should stop acting like just because it isn’t perfect that it doesn’t work.

Agreed. The question then becomes is the juice worth the squeeze, no?

Perhaps people should stop acting like just because it may work some it’s perfect.

You try to pretend there’s now downside to it. That it’s not a big deal. You don’t know that. There’s no science to support you.

Make the case for not masking then.

WuWei · 2021-08-22T12:46:12.038Z

Jezcoe:

Make the case for not masking then.

I don’t need to. I’m not advocating forcing people not to mask.

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:46:20.404Z

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

How it’s possible? Lol, capitalism my friend. Why would that make me stew?

Think about it a little harder.

Is this where I am supposed to fall on my knees and worship government for using my money to invent the obvious?

it is the part where there are some who are not so privileged that they can just stay home.

zantax · 2021-08-22T12:48:07.135Z

Jezcoe:

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

How it’s possible? Lol, capitalism my friend. Why would that make me stew?

Think about it a little harder.

Is this where I am supposed to fall on my knees and worship government for using my money to invent the obvious?

it is the part where there are some who are not so privileged that they can just stay home.

We were discussing all the people who do have different choices but choose to mask up and go into stores instead and it is they who put the workers who don’t have any choice but to be there at risk of infection.

WorldWatcher · 2021-08-22T12:48:25.804Z

WuWei:

WorldWatcher:

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

WuWei:

@Jezcoe what will you say if (Good Lord forbid) there is an outbreak at a school with a mask mandate in place and enforced?

It will 100% happen somewhere with a mask mandate in effect.

It is a mitigation strategy. It is about lowering risk.

This all or nothing thing is what is killing people.

If an outbreak occurs, did it lower the risk?

There are 131,000 public school buildings in the US.

If not wearing masks result in an outbreak in 100.

And if wearing masks results in an outbreak in 10.
.
.
.
.
.
Then yes.

WW

Disregarding every other contributing factor? That’s a very sophomoric approach.

In hindsight studies, which you know will happen, 5-10 years from now will correlate those “contributing factors” such as

EE age demographics
Student age and demographics
Building design and student density in terms of ability to social distance
Seasonal changes in weather
Age and of the school building
Age and design of the HVAC system (including closed loop and fresh air replacement)
Did the HVAC system either use or was retrofitted for HEPA filters.
Etc.

WW

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:49:25.643Z

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

How it’s possible? Lol, capitalism my friend. Why would that make me stew?

Think about it a little harder.

Is this where I am supposed to fall on my knees and worship government for using my money to invent the obvious?

it is the part where there are some who are not so privileged that they can just stay home.

We were discussing all the people who do have different choices but choose to mask up and go into stores instead and it is they who put the workers who don’t have any choice but to be there at risk of infection.

I was saying that there are those who are not so privileged that they can stay home.

I put no conditions on it past that.

Jezcoe · 2021-08-22T12:50:13.831Z

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

Make the case for not masking then.

I don’t need to. I’m not advocating forcing people not to mask.

The more people who mask the slower the spread of the virus.